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  Evil Lives Monday, April 11, 2005

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
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  evil lives

  monday, april 11, 2005

  -if ever in your mind you wonder as to whether the leadership at watchtower has some level of sincerity, or perhaps as you move deeper into your pursuit of the real truth, you find yourself having doubts that you are doing the right thing in "doubting" the watchtower ?then read on.

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  I am surprised that Blondie didn't pick up on it. She's pretty good.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-3-05 WT Study (complete)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  whom do you see at this place of worship?

  christian identity or their identity as jehovah?s witnesses?.

  faith and confidence in?his organization?in jehovah and his promises which can only be explained by the wts.

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  Blondie. I appreciate your work. My wife reads you every week just before we go to the WT study. Gets her blood up in a boil. She is wananexit.

  Just a note. I think you missed the most important thing in this article. The link below will take you there.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/88738/1.ashx
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  Evil Lives Monday, April 11, 2005

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evil lives

  monday, april 11, 2005

  -if ever in your mind you wonder as to whether the leadership at watchtower has some level of sincerity, or perhaps as you move deeper into your pursuit of the real truth, you find yourself having doubts that you are doing the right thing in "doubting" the watchtower ?then read on.

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  The Watchtower told a big lie in order to protect themselves.

  Moses claimed to speak on behalf of God Almighty. The Watchtower claims nothing less today.

  On the surface, the paragraph is talking about the Moses/ Pharaoh relationship. In reality, it's talking about the Watchtower / naysayer relationship.

  People say that Watchtower IS NOT speaking for Jehovah, but rather on behalf of their own agendas and lust for power. (the proof of this is clear) So Watchtower invents what is called a "straw man argument". Like a "straw man" in a cornfield, it is intended to scare away the crows.

  The crows in this case are the naysayers against Watchtower. But remember that a scarecrow is just a stuffed shirt. There's no substance. It's false.

  Watchtower said that Pharaoh doubted Moses, they say that Pharaoh didn't believe that Moses was really speaking for Jehovah. Yet the Scriptures bear out Pharaoh?s own words betraying the truth.

  Pharaoh DID believe and acted accordingly. Th Bible shows that, and so no verse was sited by WT.

  The demons at WT just said in par. 9 to verify from the Bible, and then LIE five paragraphs later. A lie told to cover up their false claim to divine speech. A lie told to divert attention. A lie invented in order to place into teh mind of JWs a defense against those who speak contrary to WT claim to divinity of speech.
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  Evil Lives Monday, April 11, 2005

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evil lives

  monday, april 11, 2005

  -if ever in your mind you wonder as to whether the leadership at watchtower has some level of sincerity, or perhaps as you move deeper into your pursuit of the real truth, you find yourself having doubts that you are doing the right thing in "doubting" the watchtower ?then read on.

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  Evil Lives Monday, April 11, 2005

  -If ever in your mind you wonder as to whether the leadership at Watchtower has some level of sincerity, or perhaps as you move deeper into your pursuit of the real truth, you find yourself having doubts that you are doing the right thing in "doubting" the Watchtower ?then read on.

  The Watchtower of Feb. 15/05 studied just last week (April 3/05) provided this reader with one of the best examples of pure literary evil composed by Watchtower till this time. It is found on page 21 par. 14 and is below quoted.

  14 ?"No plague or miracle- not even the loss of his firstborn son- was able to persuade Pharaoh that Moses was speaking on behalf of Jehovah."

  If you don't immediately see what is wrong with this and where it's leading, then keep reading.

  Reflect back to the same article just 5 paragraphs earlier. It relates the below quoted.

  9 Prove Bible truth to yourself.

  ...Every Christian -young or old- needs to prove to his own satisfaction that what he believes is indeed the truth as found in the Bible.

  Ask then this question. Where in the Bible does it say, or even infer, that Pharaoh didn?t believe Moses claim that he was speaking on behalf of God Almighty?

  It simply doesn?t. In fact it plainly states the opposite!

  Are you starting to read between the lines to see the sinister motive in printing paragraph 14?

  No sooner did The Watchtower tell the reader in par. 9 that they should be sure that what they are learning from The Watchtower is ?the truth as found in the Bible? then they drop this bombshell in paragraph 14 with a complete fabrication. A LIE.

  Quoting from the NWT we read.

  (Exodus 5:2) . . .But Phar´aoh said: ?Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice to send Israel away? I do not know Jehovah at all and, what is more, I am not going to send Israel away.?

  (Exodus 8:8) 8 In time Phar´aoh called Moses and Aaron and said: ?Entreat Jehovah that he may remove the frogs from me and my people, as I want to send the people away that they may sacrifice to Jehovah. . .

  Does this sound like a man that had trouble with the idea ?that Moses was speaking on behalf of Jehovah???

  Pharoah was in complete acceptance of the idea ?that Moses was speaking on behalf of Jehovah? as is revealed in THE BIBLE!

  The watchtower set up a ?straw man argument? to fool the reader.

  So Watchtower wants the reader to accept this evil invention, and the reader will please not that there?s not one Scripture salient in this paragraph to back up this concoction. Oh, Watchtower is quick to site the Scripture if they can. For sure, if the words ?faithful slave? are mentioned in the paragraph, they will site Matthew 24:45-48 like clockwork.

  But not one word from ?the truth as found in the Bible?.

  So what is Watchtower really after? Please read the revision below.

  14 No plague or miracle will able to persuade people that Watchtower was speaking on behalf of Jehovah.

  Yes, the paragraph went on, ?Therefore, do not let fear of man paralyze you.?

  The intent of paragraph 14 was pure un-adulterated mind control in an effort to place into the mind of the reader, using a ?straw man?, a mental defense mechanism against those who would try to say to a JW that the Watchtower is really not speaking on behalf of Jehovah. Yet there was no basis in the Bible whatsoever in the account of Pharoah or any other such instance, and so the Watchtower sited NO SCRIPTURE AT ALL. They knew all too well it was a LIE.

  Since I know for a fact, from the mouth of a Circuit Overseer, that Watchtower monitors this site, I want to speak directly to the brother who is now reading this post.

  I tell you, relay this message to you know who.

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  You bastards. You propagate this demonic evil and you are going to pay with your very lives. Will I rise up against you? Certainly I shall not have to. The object of your demise is already at work. For those to whom you look for help will themselves certainly remove from you your self-appointment. They will come, not in the night, but in the daylight. Just when you are sure that your position is secure, they will take from you your head.

  You have advanced, not Christ, but your own agenda. You have had your reward in full. Boast in yourself further. Make big boasts. Claim His throne itself and seat yourself on it. Your time has come. Your future is dark. Your end has arrived.
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  Memorial experiences 2005 thread

  by Jez in

  1. watchtower
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  lets put all of our memorial stories/thoughts on one thread.

  mine: 45 mins.

  quick and boring.

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/87644/1458796/post.ashx#1458796

  From the other memorial thread.

  I thought I'd place it here.
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  I WENT TO THE MEMORIAL LAST NIGHT.....

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and i think that the wts's "waters are drying up".

  we had two congregations meet and the hall still wasn't full!

  i noticed a change in the talk from last year.

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  We would have been glad to have you.

  Of course, we had to do all this right under their noses.

  Can you imagine participating?
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  I WENT TO THE MEMORIAL LAST NIGHT.....

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and i think that the wts's "waters are drying up".

  we had two congregations meet and the hall still wasn't full!

  i noticed a change in the talk from last year.

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  There were "apostates" at the Memorial here.

  In fact, they not only attended the rather large Memorial here, but one even got a hold of the 'emblems' (idols) and was passing them around to other "apostates". And these "apostates" are the biggest "apostates" in the city!!!

  I know this because I was there to see it.

  The "apostate" was me.

  How did I get the emblems? Simple. I was a server.

  It was all I could do to keep from busting a gut, laughing as I passed the emblems to the other "apostates" that attended. As we made eye contact I had to look away or else I would have burst out like a hyaena and fallen to the floor rolling in tears of laughter.

  Did we gulp the wine? No. Poor home made swill. Rather, after the 'celebration', we went back to my place and cracked open a few bottles of good stuff and made a late night. Took pics & all.

  Getting up today AM was tough. I needed a nap mid-afternoon.

  Overall, it was a good Memorial season. I guess you could say it was Memorable..!!!

  Looking forward to next season with eager anticipation.

  Note: I just got a phone call during this post from one of the the other "apostates" to say thanks for the evening and to tell me about the fallout. What a cult. And as far as us being the biggest "Apostates" in town, I know we take that prize without doubt.

  Disclaimer: All quotes in italic refer not to the actual meaning of the word but rather to the twisted and bastardized version found within Watchtowerism's obtuseness.
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  A Jehovah's Witness CANNOT Say These Words

  by steve2 in

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  in five words or less, please give examples of statements no jehovah's witness in good standing could ever say.

  here are two examples:.

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  "The blood policy contradicts itself"
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  Getting out...terminating Bible study

  by PClark in

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  i have been visited by a local jw woman weekly for almost 4 years and started weekly study about 1 year ago.

  friday things took a more serious turn and i am very uncomfortable.. i need advise on how to stop the meetings (without being offensive) and still get away from this madness before it gets out of control.

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  Before you make a decision on just how to go about it, please ask yourself this question. If you were driving home from work and saw a terrible accident and heard a child screaming for help, would you worry most about which exit to take on the highway to get home quicker?

  Do this what I tell you please and let nature take its course.

  Next study, tell her that you have a seroius question about blood. Say that you need help understanding where these "allowable fractions" come from since blood is to be poured out. (Leviticus)

  Show your research.

  http://www.baxtertransfusiontherapies.com/tt/app.jsp?_tile=products-product_detail&prdt_cd=4R4538&prdt_lne_cd=AUTOCOMP&prdt_fmly_cd=CS3000&_menu=products_menu

  Talk about the blood drive at work and how you appreciate all your co-workers donating blood so that your new JW friends can get their life saving therapies.

  You will see a pair of eyes open wide. Perhaps her mind may open also.

  And maybe you will have helped that screaming child in that wreck.
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  Why did they change the sterilization beliefs?

  by mkr32208 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread but it suddenly seemed more important and i wanted to get some opinions!

  i was still a dub when sterilization changed from a consciences matter to a no-no.

  i remarked to my wife at the time that i thought the reason for this was a declining membership!

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  I just returned from the 2 day assembly. 14 got baptised in the waters of hell.

  Of the 14, nine (under 15yrs) were children of dubs. Two are sons of dubs (34&42yrs) and have their own family now. The rest I am not sure of.

  Basically, almost 100% of "growth" is just dub kids.

  I wonder why they don't want dubs getting clipped.