Posts by apocalypse

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Talking with a young elder

by biblexaminer in

i had a discussion with an elder recently.

it was interesting in a macabre sense.

we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.

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"Elders can only understand what is in the Watchtower article."

That's a lark. They can't even understand that.

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Who Qualifies for TTATT?

by John Aquila in

when i first learn ttatt i started telling every one.

ttatt will not help him, it will destroy him.

all his family are jws.

Who Qualifies for TTATT?

by John Aquila in

when i first learn ttatt i started telling every one.

ttatt will not help him, it will destroy him.

all his family are jws.

I have long believed that only certain ones deserve to know the truth. I have had the privilege of helping a few in their quest for knowledge. I have been able to help these people while still 'attending' and even 'serving'. Still on-going. Nobody lives a double life as well as I do. One for Christ, and one as a mole... for Christ.

But I also agree that there are some who "deserve it" as one person above mentioned. For example, there was one elder who was getting on my case. I had enough of him. So, I 'bombed his hood'. (Well, that's what "Hawkaw" my helper those days named it. I don't know how many here remember him...)

Yes, I bombed his hood. He went ballistic. He 'railed on' about it at the kingdom hall. Told the whole congo about how he went to all his neighbours trying to dig himself out. Did a full on rant when he got the microphone during a meeting part. Even went to the CO and it resulted in what I call 'honourable mention' at the circuit assembly. (they had a part and talked about it)

I enjoyed it all.

I don't know what's happening with this brother these days. He doesn't attend anymore. He's done. I don't know why, but I am happy all the same. If I had even a minute part, I'm pleased.

In any case, he had something bigger to deal with than bothering me. OOOh la la.

Now, there's a few other elders that are pissing me off. It's time once again to wind up the machine.

How ugly it's going to be for them. I am glad I am not them. Really glad.

Because they are going to have TTATT shoved right down their throats. And probably up the other way too.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-11-2015 WT Study (EXPECTATION)

by blondie in

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friends

blondies highlights from the10-11-2015 wt study (august 15, 2015), pages (14-18) .

for pictures see this link.

opening comments.

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We tried this, all active JW's should try this too.

Ask an elder, or a long-time 'spiritual' dubber, this one question. See where it takes you.

"Brother, has the generation of 1914 passed away?" Listen for the response. It's going to be interesting...

Best to do this in person, so you can watch the squirming.

At first, they will answer according to common sense. "Yes"... they will say, and then perhaps offer some attempt at qualification of their answer.

After they have answered, they will slowly realize the implications. (If your choice of JW meat was unusually leathery, you might have to chew a bit.) Give them a little nudge, as they may, after answering, have a sense that something ain't right but they are unable to nail it down. Give a little help.

Say, "cause if it did, then Jesus words that the generation wouldn't pass away failed".. now they see it!

This is where they change horses mid-stream. And anybody knows, if you do that ...you drown.

The brother will then come back with the opposite answer. "No!" he will say. "It hasn't"... Aha! an epiphany.

He will go on to tell you what he has 'just recently learned' about the overlapping generation.

Oh goodie. The water is boiling.

Then present the query, "is the generation in between also an overlapping generation?"... 'What do you mean?', he will ask. (never thought about it)

Then say, "Brother Franz was of the current governing body's grand-parent's generation... the generation of 1914 was their grand parent's, not parent's generation, so what of the generation in between? Is that another over lapper?

Oh oh. Problem. While he's pondering the stupidity of it all and he's thinking of the Hindenburg burning down, add this.

Brother, the Awake magazine used to say in the front page that it's purpose was to build faith that the generation of 1914 would NOT pass away ...and they have removed it. If they believe it has not -and will not- then why did they take it out? And not put it back?

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Effect on youths of Bethel and construction cuts

by Tornintwo in

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i know quite a few youths (late teens to early twenties) who have the goal of full time service, as bethelites or international construction, so they're doing the required slog of pioneering in order to achieve this goal.

this is a goal which has been excitedly set out for them the last few years or so at assemblies etc.

now they see the cuts, surely they are going to be discouraged and disillusioned.

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I know a bunch of youths locally who were holding out for international construction, figured they'd "see the world" on the cheap and have a ball, all the while they'd be 'set for salvation'.

This is going to stick a pin in their festive ballon.

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Jehovah's Chariot slams into reverse!

by apocalypse in

the question i will be asking dubs at the hall this week is, "since jesus is directing the slave.... why has he done a 180..?".

last sunday we studied how jesus is directing the slave to build an average of 5 kingdom halls a day since 2000. why has he changed his mind and gone in the completely opposite direction?.

if this 'change' is not securely lodged in their craw by the time i am through, then i will eat my hat..

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I wanted to announce I was retiring and am accepting gifts. Have a retirement shower. Then, change my mind. But I'm keeping the goods.

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Mass conversion going to take place?

by apocalypse in

the watchtower has always held that "we are not expecting a mass conversion of people" before the end.

w09 1/15.. in proclaiming a "world without war soon" the watchtower has answered the question "will it come through a mass conversion of people to the true religion?

" with the answer "no.

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The Watchtower has always held that "we are not expecting a mass conversion of people" before the end. w09 1/15.

In proclaiming a "World Without War Soon" the Watchtower has answered the question "Will it come through a mass conversion of people to the true religion?" with the answer "No." g96 4/22

But now, ALAS... a new light has dawned on the slave! In following Jesus guidance, the slave has realized that the end is upon us!! All kingdom building must halt and all workers put down their tools and take up their bibles for the last thrust of the preaching work, the 'phinal faze' where we convert the world.

Yes, Jesus has done a complete 180 degree turn. From kingdom halls 5 a day to zero. Form no world conversion to all must pioneer.

We must get as many as we can into our existing kingdom halls for the distribution of "Life's Koolaid"... which is free.

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Jehovah's Chariot slams into reverse!

by apocalypse in

the question i will be asking dubs at the hall this week is, "since jesus is directing the slave.... why has he done a 180..?".

last sunday we studied how jesus is directing the slave to build an average of 5 kingdom halls a day since 2000. why has he changed his mind and gone in the completely opposite direction?.

if this 'change' is not securely lodged in their craw by the time i am through, then i will eat my hat..

apocalypse

The question I will be asking dubs at the hall this week is, "Since Jesus is directing the slave.... why has he done a 180..?"

Last Sunday we studied how Jesus is directing the slave to build an average of 5 kingdom halls a day since 2000. Why has he changed his mind and gone in the completely opposite direction?

If this 'change' is not securely lodged in their craw by the time I am through, then I will eat my hat.

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Earthquake!.. and JW superstition.

by apocalypse in

while in service on saturday, i was sitting with an elder that i have known for years having a coffee break.

we were discussing the up-coming convention and what we had to do etc.

then, (there was a tv up on the wall in the coffee place where we were) on the screen burst the news of the nepal earthquake.

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While in service on Saturday, I was sitting with an elder that I have known for years having a coffee break. We were discussing the up-coming convention and what we had to do etc. Then, (there was a TV up on the wall in the coffee place where we were) on the screen burst the news of the Nepal earthquake.

The elder got all excited! 'It's the end...' was all over his face. You could tell as he came to life that he was thinking 'Jesus is here'...

Now that I understand the Olivet Discourse, I am always impressed, upon seeing such displays, with the superstitious nature of the feeble-minded witnesses.

Jesus warned his followers in his day that earthquakes are just happenstance and that the "end is not yet"... as "these things must happen", and to "not be afraid."

Yet, here we are today, 2000 years after the fact, and the same superstitions are fostered. Only now, you have organizations like Watchtower, not only fostering them, but going as far as to twist Jesus' warning against such superstitions in the first century into yet another source of fuel for these self-contradictory apostate ideas.

They are so very sad.

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Candice conti case appeal

by ashpman in

just got this email.

does anyone know what this means?.

disposition date (yyyy-mm-dd): 2015-04-13disposition description: affirmed/part, rev/part, remanded w/directiondisposition status as of 2015-04-13: final notes: the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

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"The judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed."

This means that Watchtower is still found guilty. Watchtower is the "defendant"

and their "negligence" has been "affirmed" in the case of the abuse.

"The judgment against Watchtower on the cause of action for punitive  damages is 
reversed with directions to enter judgment for Watchtower on punitive damages"
This means that the "judgement" with respect to how much the Watchtower has to pay
(punitive damages) is thrown out, and a new "judgement" (directions to enter) will be
 decided on by another court. 
It is necessary then that each party pay their own legal cost as the money part 
will be decided on later.