i just posted a short video with the soundbyte from the talk in the thread on kingdom control.
here's the link.
i don't know if i can embed it properly:.
Ye$, it$ all about money. Vancouver has a new great big "$uper-$ized" kingdom right on a main highway---Grandview Highway.
Also, I heard on the news this past summer that a new quickbuild went up on Vancouver Island. A bro got "impaled" when a caterpillar tractor fell into a hole and a rebar went through the driver's body...? Anybody else hear about this?
http://www.jwbrothers.org/videos/2451/crane-acident-at-kingdom-hall-construction
ESTEE
Funny and cute!
ESTEE
i am still trying to find my spiritual path and am not sure if the jw is the right path for me.
i do like the presentation at the kingdom hall and the magazines, but feel that many of my views might conflict with jw doctrine.
i would prefer not to recite specific differences here.
Welcome to the forum. The JW religion holds two sets of rules: one set for the "outsiders" and another set for the "baptised."
The organization is more tolerant with the outsiders. Once you are baptised, there is no way out, you must tow the JW line. The elders will disfellowship you if they see any doubt or dissension. They expect perfection from imperfect humans. One "in" you can never do enough for the organization...more money, more service, more loyalty. The loyalty is not to God, but to the Watchtower organization.
The WT organization is about "religion" rather than "spirituality." It is about following a set of rigid rules, rather than following your own internal conscience.
Please be careful making your decision. Don't be fooled by the "love-bombing" and don't be fooled by emotion. Learn the facts. Love-bombing ends once you are baptised.
Be open to the criticism you hear because that comes from having experienced the inner cogs of the WT organization.
I suggest you read "Crisis of Conscience" by Raymond Franz. That book will provide an inside view of how the organization is really run at the top.
Best,
ESTEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe-rpt-fspg.
The man after Barr in the video...looks kinda like a CO from childhood years by the name of Saranchuk...Anybody???
But I see the name is something different...so not him...
ESTEE
i was going to post a 'welcome' message for all the new people who may have got a computer for christmas and are making their first forray into the online world.. of course, not many jws are going to be getting a computer or much else for christmas right?.
kinda-strange for me to forget about such a big thing like that eh?!
it's pretty good though to have moved on so that the jw indoctrinated mindset isn't the first thing that springs to mind.. hope you're all having a great christmas and wherever you are in the recovery process that you feel a little bit better today than you did yesterday, more free and relaxed than you did last year and looking forward to your new life in 2011.. there's going to be lots of changes coming for this site hopefully in the next week or so and probably continuing over the next year.
Thank you so much Simon and Angharad!
Nice work! This site has brought so many fine people together for the purpose of healing the ravages of the Jehovah's Witness religion. We, the apostates, are gaining in strength and numbers every day! This site is a place to find our voice, find our strength and find our health.
It's time that America knew what a threat festers from within its own society. It's not some foreign power or entity; the Jehovah's Witnesses were American-born! They have been created to indoctrinate, brainwash and propagandize the masses.
But we are free because we have left that sick organization. Leaving is a healthy thing that we have done.
Merry Christmas and Happy 2011 and beyond --- to everyone on this life-saving forum!
ESTEE
Simply: What is the purpose of God?
You know how some people know their purpose early in life and pursue their purpose.
Well, what is God's purpose?
Blondie... it's not a question about whether or not there is a god --- or his/her/its purpose for humans.
The question is simply: What is God's purpose?
ESTEE
What is the purpose of God?
ESTEE
i suppose everyone on this board knows now about sebastian ramos and his campaign in brazil.
he has filed a claim agains religious discrimination, to the effect that shunning (not disfellowshipping or disassociation) is forbidden, on the grounds that it amounts to religious discrimination.. this is a very easy point to see for someone who is out.
it sort of extends the meaning of "religious discrimination", however, as it is usually understood.
Great thread!
Yes, with religious groups, there is a never-ending cry for more freedom. Religion, especially "theirs" is the only true religion and deserves free reign to make all kinds of unreasonable rules, because they are religious... of course.
Just because we have left the borg, we have lost all entitlement to freedom...? Just because we are not jw anymore does not mean that our beliefs do not deserve the same rights (double negative). I believe everyone is entitled to freedom of thought and belief, even if it is non-religious.
I am one being shunned by the dubs...my two children.
Thanks for this thread.
ESTEE
ali is home and undergoing further treatment for congestive heart failure.
she has a bi-ventricular pacemaker and a defibrilator (sp?
) they believe the heart failure was caused by a virus that damaged the heart muscle.
My thoughts are with you and Ali, coffee.
Love and blessings,
ESTEE
easing nature is it for christians?
easing nature the very phrase itself brings to mind the odious product of this activity.
yet, many people have the understanding that this natural bodily function is a practice in which true christians may engage.
Brilliant, Scully!
Sorry I missed this the first time around...
ESTEE
