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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

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  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:24:39
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:24:1
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  Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?

  by Gamaliel in

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  to whom it may concern, .

  i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.

  it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.

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  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:12:6
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:22:24
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  fjtoth

  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:20:52
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  fjtoth

  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:18:57
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  fjtoth

  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:17:54
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  Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?

  by Gamaliel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to whom it may concern, .

  i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.

  it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.

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  fjtoth

  Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:10:34
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  Path,

  Thanks for the insights on how you feel. I think you speak for many of us. I was flabbergasted by some of the remarks Bill has made, statements that I happen to know are totally untrue as well as unkind. But I'm willing to overlook them on one condition. What I'm hoping for is a sign from Bill of some humility and a positive effort on his part to undo some of the damage that he's done. Of course, it's what God thinks that really counts, and I wonder how any of us can think we can truly have his blessing if we care little about righting any wrongs we've done.

  Many of us, if only we were in the right circumstances, would ourselves be performing a ministry in behalf of abused children and others. Unhappily, we're restricted in one way or another, and we just don't have that opportunity. Persons like Ray and Bill who are serving God and neighbour the best they know how, deserve admiration and commendation. Regardless of the value or type of his ministry, anyone among such persons who shows disrespect for one or more of the others and who even dares to rudely make false accusations is bound to soon lose our respect and support.

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  IslandWoman,

  You are so right. There is no excuse for such unchristian conduct, even when the the accuser is under great pressure. In his lifetime, Ray has had to contend with severe pressures, quite frequently and for long periods of time. As I see it, his record of love and respect for others even while in such awful circumstances tends to put Bill's short record to shame.

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  Ray Franz And Things That Are Too Hard To Handle.

  by Englishman in

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  i see that ray franz is coming in for a fair bit of criticism due to his apparrant unwillingness to accept that jw's had a problem with the existence of child abuse when he was a member of the gb.

  also, it would appear that ray is being chided for his belief in the rule of 2 witnesses before action can be taken against an abuser.

  it seems to me that it is quite likely that ray wasn't aware that there was a serious abuse problem within the society when he was a member of the gb, if only for the reason that ray would find such an activity so detestable that he would believe it to be a virtually impossible act for anyone to perpetrate.

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  IslandWoman,

  Very enlightening. Thanks.

  fjtoth