Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:33:22
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112Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:32:52
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:32:11
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:31:32
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not my enemy
by teejay infollowing on the heels of what bowen said about ray, i began to see a statement that real soon began to get under my skin.
i've read it several times since and i hafta say: that little irritant is beginning to fester more than i care for.
the statement was something in the neighborhood of, "let's not get side-tracked with this franz / bowen fiasco and remember who our real enemy is... the watchtower society!".
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Mouthy,
IslandWoman is speaking the truth. I've been an eyewitness of the love you have long had for your family. It was that love that motivated you to lead them to the JWs. If the JWs had told you the truth from the beginning, then possibly you would have been without excuse. But they never did. The WT lied and lied and lied. The Society was like a doctor who says you've got to take this medicine if you want to stay alive and have a better life but who has actually prescribed small daily doses of deadly poison.
Doctors can be misguided, and I believe the leadership of JWs is misguided. Still, the blame belongs at their doorstep. They sat down on Christ's judgment seat and took possession of our lives without any divine authorization. True, we let them, but how were we to know? No one else came along with convincing evidence that we had made a mistake.
I was only 8 when my mother took me into JWs. I spent most of my life under that delusion that she led me into. Now I'm an "old" man. But I still love my mother, even more so now that I have time to reflect upon what family life is all about and how worthy our mothers are of our love and deep respect.
My mother is still a JW and won't speak to me. That hurts, but there's nothing to forgive. She's innocent. It's the WT Society that put up that wall between her and me. What she did for me all my life as a mother more than compensates for any hurt I sometimes feel. I pray along with you that your kids will someday leave the borg. I tend to think that if and when they do, their feelings toward you will be very similar to those I have for my mom.
I "converted" scores of people to become JWs. I regret that too. But at the time I was under the impression that I was doing the best thing in the world for them. I did it because I loved them and wanted the best for them. I don't think you or I deserve to be berated for that.
Think, too, about what a wonderful "mother" you've been to many of us who left JWs. What would have happened to me after I left the borg if it wasn't for you and a handful of others who took me under your wings. I dread the thought. For a brief period I thought I had made the biggest mistake of my life and that I ought to go back. I met some real religious screwballs on the outside of the borg. But then you and other friendly and concerned people came into my life and everything was all better. I will never forget that.
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:30:37
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:27:38
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:26:31
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Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?
by Gamaliel into whom it may concern, .
i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.
it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:12:54
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Edited by - fjtoth on 21 November 2002 18:25:26