Posts by fjtoth

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ANNOUNCEMENT: "Special" Awake! for November. Confidential ;-)

by BFD in

i was asked to post this by a paranoid jwder.

i'm an elder and have stated as much on this board.

call me paranoid, but i'd rather not stick my head up and say "hey bethel monitors, come after this guy!

fjtoth

Awake! is SPECIAL only to persons . . .

Who are spiritually deaf and unable to hear true wisdom when it roars right by them.
Who are spiritually blind to the Watchtower Society as a false teacher and who instead use it as their seeing-eye dog.
Who walk, not personally and confidently with God and Christ, but by hobbling along with the WT Society as their spiritual crutch.
Who eventually lose all balance in walking through life and end up drifting aimlessly along with the WT Society as their wheelchair.
Whose cognitive impairment is seen in their unique forgetfulness of the Society's errors in date-setting and many other matters.
Whose learning difficulties are illustrated in their year-after-year view of the same old stuff as "new light."
Who are spiritually illiterate in their understanding of simple Bible teachings on matters such as "other sheep" and "faithful slave."
Whose lack of spiritual stamina is indicated by their need of five meetings a week to build up their faith in the Society.
Whose rigid knees are resistant to bending in humility as often shown by their arrogant boast that they alone are God's servants.
Who are spiritually dead in company with thousands of their fellow members who have literally died due to the Society's policies on blood, etc.

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DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary in

do you think the scientists, doctors and pharmeceutical companies know of a cure for cancer that they're not telling us?

when you consider the leaps and bounds in medical discoveries that we've made in the last 50 years, it seems incredible that they're still using chemotherapy and radiation as the treatment for cancer.. while i was one of the lucky one who has survived cancer (so far), it's always in the back of my mind that it could return.

we all have friends who died before their time because of this rotten disease, yet the only progress that seems to have been made is that they can now 'detect' it earlier, which of course gives you a much greater chance of survival.. there have been stories of people who have been cured through alternative medicine, yet no one in the medical field seems to be interested in anything other than chemo or radiation.

fjtoth

Dansk,

With all due respect, I doubt you and I will ever completely see eye-to-eye on this topic. You have a lot of experience behind you that has led you to one conviction, and I have similar experience that has led me to a different view. My reading and study about cancer remedies goes back at least 25 years. At one point I received clinical training and authorization to practice in one branch of alternative medicine, but eventually I abandoned it due to having too much on my plate in another area of my life.

I do think your personal experience has coloured your view quite a bit, but I can't dismiss from my own mind the faces of so many I've met these many years who have rejoiced that alternative medicine turned them into more vibrant and energetic persons. I wasn't going to mention this, but for what it's worth I'll tell you that I was on a deathbed myself several years ago. Medical doctors gave up on me because they felt they could do no more. I'm living testimony to the fact that there is much in alternative medicine that is generally being ignored and that could be of great benefit to mankind if only it were given more support by the medical community.

All the best,

Frank

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The results of Dr. Laura's parenting

by sixsixsixtynine in

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5934072.

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http://bigheaddc.com/2007/06/02/the-shocking-photo-that-prompted-army-to-investigate-dr-lauras-son/.

fjtoth

From today's Salt Lake Tribune:

In an interview with The Tribune, [Mike Paul, spokesman for Laura Schlessinger] suggested that the page could be a fake. That was a contention echoed by Army spokesman Robert Tallman, who said "it may be possible that our enemies are actually behind this."

"Our enemies are adaptive, technologically sophisticated, and truly understand the importance of the information battlespace," Tallman continued. "Sadly, they will use that space to promulgate and disseminate untrue propaganda."

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DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary in

do you think the scientists, doctors and pharmeceutical companies know of a cure for cancer that they're not telling us?

when you consider the leaps and bounds in medical discoveries that we've made in the last 50 years, it seems incredible that they're still using chemotherapy and radiation as the treatment for cancer.. while i was one of the lucky one who has survived cancer (so far), it's always in the back of my mind that it could return.

we all have friends who died before their time because of this rotten disease, yet the only progress that seems to have been made is that they can now 'detect' it earlier, which of course gives you a much greater chance of survival.. there have been stories of people who have been cured through alternative medicine, yet no one in the medical field seems to be interested in anything other than chemo or radiation.

fjtoth

Dansk,

I'm sorry but I think that's an excellent reason to speak negatively about it!

I'm afraid you fail to see my point. If some are receiving benefits from alternative medicine and some are not, I see no reason to speak negatively against it. Some die after receiving medical treatment in hospitals. Should we speak negatively of the medical profession on that basis? Again I say, I'm seeking only a bit of fairness here.

I believe there is a case for using both simultaneously).

That happens to be my point of view as well.

This doesn't mean the alternatives worked - but it could prove the power of the mind and body.

If you really believe that, you have to be a bit naïve. To suggest that persons like my mother-in-law experienced cancer and its cure only in their minds is a bit off the wall, don't you think?

Do you have empirical evidence?

I've concluded that "empirical evidence" is simply a catch phrase employed by those who swallow hook, line and sinker the message of the drug companies and the medical profession. Their idea of "empirical" is anything that agrees with their own line of thinking. A true empirical investigation draws upon diverse research methods. A cancer treatment study is not empirical if it ignores the findings of doctors in the field of alternative medicine.

I once had a medical doctor and a chiropractor as neighbors. The few times when the three of us got together, I ended up watching something like a dog fight. Neither one would concede that the other had anything valid to contribute toward the healing of people desperately in need. Both were quite adept and agile in quoting "empirical" evidence that supported their side of the controversy.

I don't believe either side has all the answers. I'd just like to see more cooperation from both sides. My experience tells me that it's the medical profession that needs to do more bending, and I'm happy to see that in recent years more and more doctors are including alternative medicine in their artillery of treatments.

With all my heart I wish you well, Dansk, and I'm hopeful. You can count on it that I, for one among many, will continue to keep you in my prayers.

Frank

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DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary in

do you think the scientists, doctors and pharmeceutical companies know of a cure for cancer that they're not telling us?

when you consider the leaps and bounds in medical discoveries that we've made in the last 50 years, it seems incredible that they're still using chemotherapy and radiation as the treatment for cancer.. while i was one of the lucky one who has survived cancer (so far), it's always in the back of my mind that it could return.

we all have friends who died before their time because of this rotten disease, yet the only progress that seems to have been made is that they can now 'detect' it earlier, which of course gives you a much greater chance of survival.. there have been stories of people who have been cured through alternative medicine, yet no one in the medical field seems to be interested in anything other than chemo or radiation.

fjtoth

Dansk,

I appreciate your point of view. However, I personally know several individuals who have had the opposite experience. I became acquainted with most of them, but not all, as my wife was dying from cancer. After months of treatments by two well known cancer specialists, including three operations, my wife was given up as a hopeless case. It was then that we turned to an "alternative" clinic where she experienced some improvement and relief from pain without drugs, but it was too late. The cancer had spread so far by that time that she eventually succumbed. Nevertheless, the clinic had experienced a high rate of success for several years. That's why I took her there.

My mother-in-law is a cancer survivor. Her doctor gave her only weeks to live, so as a last resort she went to a clinic that used mainly vitamins and minerals to combat the disease. In a few short months she was back on her feet, and today -- forty years later -- she is still alive and kicking.

You once "believed in alternatives." You believed, no doubt, because you had heard that others overcame cancer by going that route. Because it didn't work for you is no reason to speak negatively of it.

I'm not condemning the medical profession. I'm just pleading for a bit of fairness here. For decades, billions of dollars have been donated to the medical profession toward a cure for cancer. It is only in recent years that they have been seeing a measure of success worth bragging about. On the other hand, alternative treatments have had success too, even much earlier and notwithstanding the lack of such bountiful financial backing.

Frank

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Anyone Else from Canada?

by Miss 8572 in

i'm really intrigued by that fact that i may know some of you and yet not know that i know you.

i just want to know how many people from canada are here.

if you don't mind and don't care about posting your province (cause i'm too timid to) we could all get an idea of just how many canucks are really out there.

fjtoth

SPAZNIK: I say Amen to that!

Frank

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DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary in

do you think the scientists, doctors and pharmeceutical companies know of a cure for cancer that they're not telling us?

when you consider the leaps and bounds in medical discoveries that we've made in the last 50 years, it seems incredible that they're still using chemotherapy and radiation as the treatment for cancer.. while i was one of the lucky one who has survived cancer (so far), it's always in the back of my mind that it could return.

we all have friends who died before their time because of this rotten disease, yet the only progress that seems to have been made is that they can now 'detect' it earlier, which of course gives you a much greater chance of survival.. there have been stories of people who have been cured through alternative medicine, yet no one in the medical field seems to be interested in anything other than chemo or radiation.

fjtoth

Terry:

If you say you felt pain and you say it went away it will undoubtedly be true FOR YOU. But, you yourself are trusting your own nervous system's interpretations on the one hand and trusting your cause/effect analysis on the other.
I'm not saying you are nuts; I'm saying it isn't enough for to form the basis of a medical certainty which leads to a standard prescriptive procedure.
Does this sound like it makes sense to you?

My point was that the bioflavonoid treatment for bursitis was well known, and still it was against the law for a chiropractor to even suggest that I use it. Additionally, the remedy worked immediately, just as the Golden Age article said it would.

You introduced your point by saying,

Here is something most people will not consider.

I tend to think that some people fail to consider that the drug companies and the AMA are capable of error and of scheming just as much as anybody else.

You wrote concerning personal testimony:

It can be compared to sighting a UFO.

The difference is that the number claiming to have seen UFO's is miniscule compared to the thousands who have experienced benefits from remedies not offered by the drug companies.

JeffT:

"Blood letting" was the practice of medical doctors. It seems to me your illustration is a slam against common medical practice rather than against those who resort to alternative methods of treatment.

Frank

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DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary in

do you think the scientists, doctors and pharmeceutical companies know of a cure for cancer that they're not telling us?

when you consider the leaps and bounds in medical discoveries that we've made in the last 50 years, it seems incredible that they're still using chemotherapy and radiation as the treatment for cancer.. while i was one of the lucky one who has survived cancer (so far), it's always in the back of my mind that it could return.

we all have friends who died before their time because of this rotten disease, yet the only progress that seems to have been made is that they can now 'detect' it earlier, which of course gives you a much greater chance of survival.. there have been stories of people who have been cured through alternative medicine, yet no one in the medical field seems to be interested in anything other than chemo or radiation.

fjtoth

I'd like to share my own experience. My wife and I were assigned temporarily as special pioneers to Wisconsin. Shortly after we arrived, I developed what a doctor said was "bursitis," a form of arthritis in the shoulder. The pain was excruciating, and I had to wear a sling and avoid movement of my arm as much as possible. The doctor gave me pain killers and said the pain would eventually go away on its own. Hoping for quicker relief, I made several visits to a chiropractor. But the pain remained for nearly 3 months. One day I decided to do some reading on the subject and discovered an article that claimed bioflavonoids would reduce the pain and speed healing. My wife went to a health food store and bought a small bottle of the stuff. I took the recommended dose, and the pain disappeared within 24 hours!!! I went to the chiropractor who also sold vitamins, and I asked him why he didn't know about bioflavonoids. His answer was that he did know about them, but it was against the law in Wisconsin for a chiropractor to suggest vitamins to his clients. That may not be the law any longer, but it does raise the question: Is it possible that regulations exist at the present time that similarly restrict doctors from doing what's best for their patients?

Frank

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Did You Take Your "Ministry" Seriously?

by minimus in

jw
friends

since all jehovah's witnesses are "ministers" and are to act like "watchmen" so as to not be bloodguilty before jehovah god, would you say that you, personally were a fine zealous preacher?

did you make sure that you accurately kept your house-to-house records up to date?

did you make sure you were back in a timely fashion once you placed literature?

fjtoth

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OK, Your Opinion: Are Witnesses Who Practice Their Religion "Bad"?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if a jw is an ardent believer, and faithfully practices his or her religion, are they, in your mind, "bad" or "evil", in reality?