Hey Bug,
What you say is true. Census probably did make a political judgement. But it really doesn't alter my contention in this case that "Latino" is not a race. It is a culture.
Marcos
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What is Race?
by Marcos in.
is race really a valid concept or is it more of an arbitrary distinction based more on skin tone and/or culture?
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Is race really a valid concept or is it more of an arbitrary distinction based more on skin tone and/or culture?
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Do we confuse race with culture? IS there such a thing as race?
As far as I know, all human beings are genetically compatible. The children of the various races are always fertile (barring certain defects that occur even within the same race). So, is the concept of race no more than normal variations, which will occur when people are separated by time and distance?
For instance one poster, presumably Caucasian, commented that he had married a Latina. I had mentioned in another post that the US Census had ruled that Latino is not a race but a culture since it spans a group that varies from black to white and shades in between. I dont base my life on much of what the actuaries assert to be true but I think the point is valid. An Anglo-Saxon who marries a Latino is not necessarily race-mixing as far as I can see. In Mexico the dominant population is mestizo (mixed indigenous people and Hispanic sometimes with an admixture of black). In countries like Argentina for example the largest number of people are 100% European descent and white. We are all Hispanic.
Hispanic is a culture (with hundreds of regional variants). I think, and I may be wrong but, I believe such things as a distinctive smell relates more to the foods one customarily eats rather than to race. I say this because in my limited experience I have seen this to be true. I lived in Japan for a few years. Among themselves, the Japanese refer to Caucasians as bata kusai, that is in a liberal translation, they stink of butter. American GIs referred to the Japanese girls with whom the cohabited as smelling slightly fishy. But these differences seem to disappear as the person is acclimated to the new culture. I am sure this is true because it was my experience that, even on a crowded train, I would become immediately aware of any recently arrived foreigner because even I could smell them from the other end of the car.
When I return to Mexico after having been out of the country for a time, many people have a slight odor of tortilla. Not kidding. It is not unpleasant, just noticeable. I should say that here, the corn tortilla is the staff of life. In other parts of Mexico, many people also eat flour tortillas. Most people here seldom eat them.
Personally, I believe that all of us have cultural prejudices. It seems to be normal, I see it where I live, I have seen it in Japan, and never failed to notice it in the US. Seems to me that this prejudice, when not carried to an extreme, is what holds cultures and national groups together.
None of my comments should be construed as a slam against anyone who has posted. I simply wonder about how you view the concept of race. Is it really a valid concept or is it more of an arbitrary distinction based more on skin tone?
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Minimus,
You almost always ask the best questions! My hat is off to you. You are a real champion at getting people to discuss things. You get me to thinking about things.
Having said that, I would like to post a couple of comments here and then I am going to post another related thread. Forgive me in advance if it appears that I am copying you but, dammit, you create more questions in my mind. And thanks!
Marcos
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Congruency and Self-Justification
by Marcos ini made a mistake in the previous version of this post.
i presented too much information at the beginning!
if anyone is interested in my opinion, i will re-post it below.
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Exactly, Brummie!
I dont think the WT and Congruence can be said in the same statement.
I do agree. How, indeed, could we have congruency based upon the example we were given by the F&DS? As a disclaimer, I have to say that I seldom observed the shunning required by the WT even when I was in Bethel. I do admit, however, that it was partly because of my arrogance! I felt that somehow I COULD actually help those who were df'd.
When my father was df'd, I never once hesitated to talk to him or to love him. Same with my mother, same with both of my brothers. I thought it was a stupid policy then and still is. Congruency (and adhereance to Bible principles) would seem to demand human (Godlike) kindness toward any other human being.
But, I'm kind of goofy anyway.
Marcos
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Congruency and Self-Justification
by Marcos ini made a mistake in the previous version of this post.
i presented too much information at the beginning!
if anyone is interested in my opinion, i will re-post it below.
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I made a mistake in the previous version of this post. I presented too much information at the beginning! If anyone is interested in MY opinion, I will re-post it below.
Do you agree or disagree with being congruent in your conduct? Dont you think that it is best to teach by example rather than to preach? Would you provide some examples?
Marcos (of the Still Learning How to Post Class)
P.S. Don't you just LOVE that "Edit" button?
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Did you ever want to 'cross your heart' as a kid?
by Beck_Melbourne inwhat are some of things you were deprived of as a jw kid that were not all that bad??
i remember when other kids would say 'cross your heart or hope to die' as an act of truthfulness.
i don't know the origin...but it seemed harmless enough.
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Hey Beck,
I don't know, may be a cultural thang but we used to cross our hearts and hope to die to seal up a promise or to affirm that something was absolutely true. The motion was an "X" across the heart.
As far as the witnesses, I never heard it discussed nor did it ever come up in my presence. But, I suppose we were "fringies". Heh, heh.
Marcos
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TOUGH LOVE?
by Blueblades inrecently i have been hearing the phrase,"tough love", anyone know where this phrase originated from?
what is tough love all about?
when would you use it,and, on whom?have you ever used it on someone,if you did what resulted from it?
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Im not sure if "TOUGH LOVE" was an outgrowth of pop-psychology or not but my first exposure to the term was as a means of encouraging your own kids to stop using drugs. Seems to me this first surfaced in the 70s but I'm not sure, old age and all.
The scenario is this: If your kid insists that he is old enough to do whatever he wants then, even though it was painful for you, you had to tell him to either stop with the drugs NOW or to get out of your house. The theory was that you hoped he would not leave but that if he did the cold reality of life would hit him in the face and he would realize that being in your house under your rules was by far preferable to living on the street.
Sometimes it worked.
Im not so sure about now
Marcos
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Which country has the best comedy shows?
by sleepy in.
we have had some pretty amasing classic comedy in britian over the years.. faulty towers, the office, alan partridge,ali g etc.mind you weve had some very crap sit-com 2.4 kids etc.. who does it better the brits or the yanks?.
sorry ozzies cant think of any from down under.
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Dear riz,
Orale (right on!)
Interesting to note that the level of Spanish in the US is quite high. Actually, according to reports I have read, it is the second-largest Latin American country in the world, after Mexico! This in terms of native speakers. And has several "native" dialects.
Thanks for the correction. No harm, no foul.
Sabado Gigante can be fun. But is more of a "Caribean" Spanish show. Some or us "cuates" (Mexican Brothers) do get on though.
Ciao,
Marcos
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Which country has the best comedy shows?
by sleepy in.
we have had some pretty amasing classic comedy in britian over the years.. faulty towers, the office, alan partridge,ali g etc.mind you weve had some very crap sit-com 2.4 kids etc.. who does it better the brits or the yanks?.
sorry ozzies cant think of any from down under.
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Ha and ha, riz,
Mexico wins.
two words- Sabado Gigante.
Sabado Gigante originates in Miami if I am not mistaken.
Actually, Mexico has some pretty good comedy. The program "Otro Rollo" is from Mexico City and broadcast nation-wide. The host, Adel Ramones, gives a one-hour monolog once a week that is topical and extremely funny. The middle class here laughs at about the same things that the people in other countries laugh at.
British and American comedy are BIG here. And, we get the humor. But, sub-titling sucks. I would love to be able to offer my services to the companies that do the sub-titling. They people in the US who do it don't even hear the dialog correctly.
Oh yeah, Sabado Gigante sucks too!
Love,
Marcos