Posts by Marcos

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What do you expect after Fifth Estate program

by JH in

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with all the publicity around the fifth estate program being shown tomorrow night on cbc, do you think this will make a big impact in the general public?edited by - jh on 29 january 2003 6:44:36.

Marcos

Wish I had a cable connection to the CBC, I would definitely tune in. Whoever mentioned the CBC web-site, good idea. If nothing else, I will wait for Simon to rig up something. I WANT TO SEE THE PROGRAM!

As far as the interest of the general public, I think we may possibly be underestimating the impact of anything that relates to child abuse. It continues to be a hot issue. Probably more people than you think will tune in. And, dont forget the northern tier of states that have sizeable populations that get CBC as a part of their cable line-up as well as direct broadcasts in some areas. I know that in the Seattle area, a lot (if not all) of the cable companies carry CBC. I dont know, but I suspect that other major population centers like Detroit, Buffalo as well as sizeable areas of Minnesota, Michigan, and the northern parts of Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine will be covered.

I enjoyed the comment about inoculating the general public. I have read that, on average, for any message to get through to peoples conscious awareness (that is, enough to cause them to take some sort of action) a given message must reach that individual about 9 times. The Catholic thing has received very wide coverage. Even here in Mexico people have made note of it. The pedophile issue is not new in catholic countries.

It is a good probability that the news about the WT and other churches will continue to receive a lot of coverage. A lot of people are approaching the 9 times mark. Its not just us.

Marcos

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Ever Been Hypnotized - UPDATE!!!

by SYN in

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and the lord said to moses, gather ye flock, and proceedeth upwards to mount sinus, and ye shalt wave thy arms aroundeth, and summon lightning and smoke and other special effecteths from on high, and proclaim to thy people, oh people, i have added more chapters to hath thou ever beeneth hypnotized, and even thou i shalt not have added the good bit about the dubs getting indoctrinated in alien religion yet, yeah, i promiseth i shall get to that bit really soon, and the lord almighty looked upon it, and it was good, albiet filled with typos.

get your dose of ebh goodness from here: .

part 1. part 2. .

Marcos

SYN,

Forget about typo's, etc. Just get on with the story!

Can't wait to read more.

Marcos

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What were you like in high school?

by Aztec in

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i'm sick of talking about george bush and iraq and war so.... what were you like in high school?.

i was an orchestra geek.

i played violin and took all the math classes i could.

Marcos

Hey Aztec,

I was fascinated by gymnastics. I got on the team because track and field didnt suit me. I did fairly well as a gymnast. I experienced being popular for the first time in my life in school.

My parents were against it. The cong. was against it. I got counseled. I got harassed. My parents refused to attend my meets, which hurt because I usually placed well.

I became more rebellious and moved out of my parents house at 15. I had a ball! Went back to visit a few times but never moved back in.

School sports opened the door for me. I was a nice guy. I tried to tow the party line for another 8 years or so. But, could never really swallow it all even though I wanted to and tried really, really hard.

Marcos

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Strangest thing you were called on the carpet for.

by Icansaylucky in

i would like to hear some of the strangest or most ridiculous thing you got in trouble with the elders for.

here is mine.. back in the early 70's i was married at the age of 18, typical witness thing to do.

my husband who was 6 years older than i ruled me like a overly strict father.

Marcos

Yeah,

When I was in Bethel in the early 70s the Society had a room in one of the buildings where you could go and choose clothing that had been donated by the brothers. It was COLD outside. I couldnt afford to buy a winter coat so I always layered a t-shirt, shirt, one or two sweaters and a nylon jacket.

I went to the clothing room one day and found a long winter coat. I only used it to go to and from work. Someone made the comment that I looked like Poland, 1942 or some such comment. Later, I was counseled by one of the factory overseers regarding my look and that it brought reproach upon the Society and upon Bethel. I was told to ditch the coat.

If the clothes werent good enough, why were they there for us to use?

Just another loving provision of the Society that ended up biting me in the a$$!

Marcos

Edited because I can't spel(sp?)

Edited by - marcos on 23 January 2003 1:54:45

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Do we come here to "convince" ourselves?

by bittersweet in

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ok...so the other day my husband(he is still an active witness) starts questioning me about why i come to x-jw sites.. he said the reason people come to these types of sites,is to convince themselves that they made the right decision to leave the"truth".i told him i come here to get support from others who feel they were tricked into believing something that wasn't true.he knows i feel my life has been taken away from me because i wasted so many years following their doctrines.i told him it helps me to know i am not alone in my feelings.he is still convinced that people are afraid they are wrong,and just come here to keep finding reasons to stay away from the "truth".he doesn't understand that we know what the real truth is.. i was just curious what everyone else thought about this.do you feel we are "convincing" ourselves that we made the right decision to leave?

Marcos

Hi,

I had already determined that the WT teachings were (in many areas) untrue. But, as I have stated before, there is a bit of truth in almost every lie. It is there to lend credence to the lie.

I began coming here regularly to buttress my reasoning. I have learned a lot and think that, in my case, I do come here to convince myself. That is in the sense of not wanting to just think something is untrue. Many here have very well reasoned thoughts on what has occurred and, in my case, I simply have been unable to organize all of my thoughts on these topics.

So, I guess what your husband says is true, as far as it goes. But, I see nothing wrong with sharing experiences.

As far as the troll in another thread is concerned, I really dont care what he thinks. However, I do not hate anyone. I just want to be left alone and not be bothered by those mind control freaks in the WT.

Marcos

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I am so depressed

by Sadie5 in

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my hubby and i are closing our business.

2002 was a terrible year.

we've been in business for 10 years and in 2002 we earned only 60% of our average.

Marcos

Hey Sadie,

I understand your situation. It has happened to me more than once, and Im 52 now.

ADVICE: Talk to the Water Company, etc. and insist on dealing with someone (perhaps a supervisor) who can assist you. I dont know you but I will say to be professional, couteous and reasonable. Remember that most employees of utility companies and other businesses dont care if the roof falls in on their office as long as they get paid on Friday. Dont SAY this but just remember with whom you are dealing.

Anyway, explain your situation and the problems you are having with their company. Gain an ally. They can and will waive their fees for returned checks, etc. They will also make an arrangement for you to pay as you can. But you must insist (always cool, calm and professional). It is NOT in their interest to mistreat you or to alienate you. You may be surprised at how well they will treat you. If not, keep going up the chain. You will be proud of yourself. And remember that they get yelled at all the time! Be the exception.

In my case, here in Mexico, I currently have not quite enough income to pay the rent on my business and eat a little. My house rent somehow magically appears. But, I fear, that will not happen in February. My 19 year old son and I get by right now on literally pennies a day. Most often walking to work. And this week, not even any pennies.

Food is a problem and more work is not forthcoming. But, life goes on. Just keep on keeping on. Something will work out it always does. You will, indeed, look back and smile. Dont let this hardship come between you and your family. Treat each other with even more love right now. Grace under pressure and all that.

Remember, you cant be thrown in jail for being poor. You must relax and keep your perspective. Look forward and KNOW that you will still be alive and (relatively) prosperous in the near future. We really do learn more from our problems than from our successes.

Ill try to let you know how my situation improves in the future too.

Relax (you have to) and get perspective.

Sincerely,

Marcos

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Spanish Site, With Apologies to Simon

by Marcos in

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i recently found an interesting ex-jw board in spanish.

the address is: .

http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/testigos/.

Marcos

Thanks Flip.

It's just that some sites have rules about pointing members to other similar sites. I like it here and don't want to cause Simon any hassle.

Marcos

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Spanish Site, With Apologies to Simon

by Marcos in

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i recently found an interesting ex-jw board in spanish.

the address is: .

http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/testigos/.

Marcos

I recently found an interesting ex-jw board in Spanish. The address is:

http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/testigos/

I don't know the regulations about pointing to another site and if I am in violation of a rule of this site, please forgive me. If this post is deleted, I will not take any offense.

I found the site while running a Google search. I thought it might be of interest to those of us who are Spanish-speakers. It is a very basic site (sponsored by Yahoo). I do some posting there under almost the same name I use here (here I am Marcos, there I am Marcostap2001.

It is not nearly as complete or interesting as this one but seems to go in the same general direction.

Marcos

Edited by - Marcos on 18 January 2003 13:24:26

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What is Race?

by Marcos in

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is race really a valid concept or is it more of an arbitrary distinction based more on skin tone and/or culture?

marcos (open to learning)

Marcos

Why, thank you, Crownboy.

And to all others who have contributed to this thread.

I did not really ask the question rhetorically. Your answers have given me insight into something that I have actually wondered about.

I see, and am encouraged by the thought that we really are not so different. It has been my contention but I had never really researched the topic enough to be sure.

Thanks, Marcos

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Should I tell her?

by Nosferatu in

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well, i really don't know how to exactly explain this one, or how to ask this question, but i'll do my best.

first, some background information:.

me and my mother got into a religious discussion - something i really enjoy doing.

Marcos

Nos,

I basically agree with Animal. I don't know you or your mother. I really didn't have the inclination to tell my mom things that had happened to me until she was close to death. I certainly didn't tell her anything to MAKE her feel bad. And what I told her I told her with compassion and forgiveness. She was duped too.

As I have said before, not everything was wrong or evil. But, I'll bet you she knows that you had a hard time. My suggestion is to be forgiving and accept that she might not outwardly accept what you say at the time you say it. But, she WILL hear you. It will come back to her at some point as an "ah ha". You probably need to get it off your chest.

Just don't present it in a confrontational manner. You are an adult now. Don't accept her treating you as less than an adult child of her's. i say the following with a feeling for what you have gone through -- get over it.

Then, don't let the cabrones (a Spanish expletive) get you down. Or to put it into Latin so I won't get edited: "Illegitimi Non Carborundum".

Marcos