Posts by Marcos

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improper conduct

by zev in

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doubtless many of us have been to assemblies, and every may the km would come out with an insert about what you were expected to do and how to act.. reviewing the km's over the years , you can see the negative positve "councel".

how to dress, how to act, howt to tip!.

after reading this, doesn't it just want to make you run to attend the next d.c. ?

Marcos

Some diners are good tippers. Others view tipping as optional. I knew some JW's that would not tip. I would not dine with them and I always told them why. Some people are very demanding toward the waitstaff. When a Witness is at an assembly area and dines out with their "badge", they serve notice to the "world" that they are cheap or bothersome. I never wore my "badge" when I went out. Why would I want to be shabbily treated out in public???

True, Minimus.

Fact is my tips were my income. The base pay didnt even represent a living wage. I actually offered to work for just tips. The manager just couldnt conceive of this. My mom had worked as a waitress in the 30s and 40s and had worked for tips only. She taught me a lot about the work. I used my time as a waiter to train myself in the psychology of dealing with the public.

As a result of this, I have prided myself on being able to deal with just about anyone.

As for tips, I am convinced that it means to insure prompt service. I ALWAYS tip. But adjust it so suit the server. One thing I learned is that you cant take it out on your customers if you are having a bad day. Really good thing to know!

One thing I hate about my country is that here, there is very little concept of customer service. That is to say, Mexican to Mexican, there is precious little. We have a lot to learn from Americans in this regard. We have even more to learn from the Japanese. Customer service is an art form there.

Marcos

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What was your most embarassing moment?

by kwijibo in

mine was at the kh giving a talk - got muddled up and almost said the f word into the mike.

in fact - i said it in my mind or under my breath and then panicked because i thought i had said it out loud but the audience didn't seem to react so i new i must have not said it out loud.

i wonder if anyone noticed me breaking into a cold sweat........... anyone got any more?

Marcos

Went to an English congregation for a while. In the KM school one night, I was giving a talk and (it was so long ago) one phrase was something to the effect of, "they WILL be punished by God!" Seems I emphasized the "by God" part by accident.

The school instructor about fell out of his seat. He looked soooo shocked! It really was an innocent mistake but there were some giggles from the audience.

Marcos

27

improper conduct

by zev in

jw
friends

doubtless many of us have been to assemblies, and every may the km would come out with an insert about what you were expected to do and how to act.. reviewing the km's over the years , you can see the negative positve "councel".

how to dress, how to act, howt to tip!.

after reading this, doesn't it just want to make you run to attend the next d.c. ?

Marcos

I am using this forum as a way to train myself to be more concise in my writing. From the length of this post, however, it looks like I am fighting a losing battle.

Apart from the fact that people often act poorly in public, what can you expect of a group of people who are repressed as a matter of policy while being taught they are better than anyone else? They take it out on their inferiors.

I have worked as a waiter. I made good tips averaging about $100 a night before the IRS started taxing tips. I figured out early that, as a waiter, I was making more than many of my customers.. I was good at my job. I took pride in offering a service

I was never so poorly treated as I was by people who could only afford to eat out about once a year due to their lack of income. While some were really nice people, many were of the attitude that, You are here to SERVE ME, dammit! And that is exactly what you WILL do. (This is almost verbatim from a dried-up little old Scotsman. Wish I had rung his red neck at the time. But, he was a CUSTOMER! Had to take it or lose my only income. He was a regular). This coupled with the ever-present mother-in-law (who they had to bring along) who knew exactly how to deal with The Help.

Please forgive me for what I am about to say. But, the scathing comments and the scorn and the ill-mannered adults and children taught me a lot about the meaning of the term white trash. Suffice to say that it wasnt just white people who were abusive either.

Before it comes up let me say I took pride (very un-brother-like) in my job. I liked what I did and welcomed each guest. But can you imagine the burning hatred coming from some ill-mannered lout (or loutesse) whose sole entertainment was to degrade and humiliate someone who was beneath them?

I see the same thing from the witnesses. They are abused and ridiculed in their own house by men who tie up huge burdens and strap them on the backs of their people. When these people unburden, that is when they have the opportunity to let loose in another city, in a hotel, do you wonder why they act so poorly?

Many things said in the KM are reasonable. If for no other purpose than to lighten the loads on the people who have to serve the vacationing witnesses.

I dont think that all witnesses are low-class for lack of a better term. Many are well educated and extremely bright. But lets face it. In any group of 100 people, 50% are going to be below average (is my math right?)

These people are victims, for the most part, who are away from home and therefore exempt from the rules of civil (Christian?) conduct and just want to do unto others what has been done unto them.

These are simply my observations as a white trash beaner from south of the border who has wide experience with people.

Marcos

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UN letter to ex-jw site in Spain

by Marcos in

dont know if this information is old or of any value.

i found it on a yahoo!

discussion board in spain.

Marcos

Hmmm Shutterbug,

ANYTHING is POSSIBLE...

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UN letter to ex-jw site in Spain

by Marcos in

dont know if this information is old or of any value.

i found it on a yahoo!

discussion board in spain.

Marcos

Hi Mac,

Sorry, never been to Europe. It's just that we in Latin America (I'm in Mexico) are divided from the Spanish by a common tongue . I probably should have posted a little differently. I found this document on the Spanish website but dont know if it was sent to the website or to an individual or even if it was translated from Spanish to English. I suspect it was written in Spanish because of the syntax used. Looks sort of like a transliteration into Spanish by a translator.

The website (the link was provided in my pst) is small. Not a lot of activity. But the posters who are from many Spanish-speaking countries, show the same disappointments and pain that we see here.

I can't even comment on the witnesses here in my country. I attended in the US and quit in the US. I do see witnesses here but decline to engage them in conversation. For me it is like trying to reason with a drunk. It leads nowhere. True believers can be so obtuse. My method is to just let people ask me what I think and why.

As I have posted before, my son is (nominally) a Mormon. I used to argue with him. No more. I let it go. He doesn't attend anymore. Still makes protestations about "going on my mission" but I think he sees my approach and beliefs as being more reasonable. Like the witnesses, I find the Mormons to be genuinely nice people, just mislead. I get along fine with them, the Bishop, the local President, et al. But they tend to leave me alone and not insist. Would be fine with the witnesses if they were like-minded.

As far as the UN thing, I haven't been able to work up much interest. Most witness things are of little interest to me now. However, I am interested in the scandals. I guess it sort of reenforces my feelings. One reason I left and one reason I left Bethel at the end of my 4 years (to the hour) was the lack of love. That one thing seems to continue to shine through.

If I find anymore items of interest, I will pass them along.

Worth noting, I often get e-mail from witnesses in Mexico and Spain who are suffering doubts about their religion. I posted some experiences on the Bethel Guestbook and the other guestbook on Randy's site. I did it in English but because of my name, people write to me in Spanish. Well this answer is already too long and too far off-topic. If you have any further questions though, I'll be watching.

Marcos

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UN letter to ex-jw site in Spain

by Marcos in

dont know if this information is old or of any value.

i found it on a yahoo!

discussion board in spain.

Marcos

Dont know if this information is old or of any value. I found it on a Yahoo! discussion board in Spain. It is an ex-witness group. I am assuming that there were many requests sent to the UN from either this group or from many Spanish-speaking people.

My translation follows. The original message in Spanish is attached at the bottom. The red text is from whoever posted this document on the Spanish website. http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/testigos/

Marcos

UNITED NATIONS

11 of Octubre

To Whom It May Concern:

Recently, the Department of NGOs (Non-governmental Organizations) has received numerous questions regarding the relationship of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York with the Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with the DPI in 1991, and received membership in 1992. Upon acceptance of membership with the DPI, the Organization agreed to comply with the requirements of association, including support and acceptance of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and the requirement of creating and conducting definite programs of disseminating information among their members and with the general public, regarding the activities of the United Nations.

In October of 2001, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York asked to terminate their association with the DPI. In accordance with their petition, the DPI decided to terminate the association of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York effective the 9 th of October, 2001

We appreciate your interest in the work of the United Nations.

Sincerely,

Paul Hoeffel

Director

NGO Section

Department of Public Information

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De: [email protected]
Fecha: sb feb 1, 2003 5:38 am
Asunto: Documento - PaulHoeffelespanol.htm

NACIONES UNIDAS

11 de Octubre de 2001

A Quien Pueda Interesar:

Recientemente la seccin de ONGs (Organizaciones No Gubernamentales) ha recibido numerosas preguntas sobre la relacin de La Sociedad Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York con el Departamento de Informacin Pblica (DPI). Esta organizacin solicit su asociacin con el DPI en 1991, y se le concedi en 1992. Al aceptar su asociacin con el DPI, la Organizacin acept acatar los criterios de asociacin, incluyendo el apoyo y respeto por los principios de la Carta de Naciones Unidas, y el compromiso para generar y conducir programas efectivos de informacin con sus miembros y con una audiencia mayor, acerca de las actividades de Naciones Unidas.

En Octubre de 2001, La Sociedad Watctower Bible and Tract Society de Nueva York, solicit la terminacin de su asociacin con el DPI. Atendiendo la solicitud, el DPI ha tomado la decisin de desasociar a la Sociedad Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York a partir del 9 de Octubre de 2001.

Apreciamos su inters en el trabajo de Naciones Unidas,

Sinceramente,

Paul Hoeffel
Director
Seccion de ONG
Departmento de Informacin Pblica

43

What do you expect after Fifth Estate program

by JH in

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friends

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with all the publicity around the fifth estate program being shown tomorrow night on cbc, do you think this will make a big impact in the general public?edited by - jh on 29 january 2003 6:44:36.

Marcos

Wish I had a cable connection to the CBC, I would definitely tune in. Whoever mentioned the CBC web-site, good idea. If nothing else, I will wait for Simon to rig up something. I WANT TO SEE THE PROGRAM!

As far as the interest of the general public, I think we may possibly be underestimating the impact of anything that relates to child abuse. It continues to be a hot issue. Probably more people than you think will tune in. And, dont forget the northern tier of states that have sizeable populations that get CBC as a part of their cable line-up as well as direct broadcasts in some areas. I know that in the Seattle area, a lot (if not all) of the cable companies carry CBC. I dont know, but I suspect that other major population centers like Detroit, Buffalo as well as sizeable areas of Minnesota, Michigan, and the northern parts of Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine will be covered.

I enjoyed the comment about inoculating the general public. I have read that, on average, for any message to get through to peoples conscious awareness (that is, enough to cause them to take some sort of action) a given message must reach that individual about 9 times. The Catholic thing has received very wide coverage. Even here in Mexico people have made note of it. The pedophile issue is not new in catholic countries.

It is a good probability that the news about the WT and other churches will continue to receive a lot of coverage. A lot of people are approaching the 9 times mark. Its not just us.

Marcos

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Ever Been Hypnotized - UPDATE!!!

by SYN in

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and the lord said to moses, gather ye flock, and proceedeth upwards to mount sinus, and ye shalt wave thy arms aroundeth, and summon lightning and smoke and other special effecteths from on high, and proclaim to thy people, oh people, i have added more chapters to hath thou ever beeneth hypnotized, and even thou i shalt not have added the good bit about the dubs getting indoctrinated in alien religion yet, yeah, i promiseth i shall get to that bit really soon, and the lord almighty looked upon it, and it was good, albiet filled with typos.

get your dose of ebh goodness from here: .

part 1. part 2. .

Marcos

SYN,

Forget about typo's, etc. Just get on with the story!

Can't wait to read more.

Marcos

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What were you like in high school?

by Aztec in

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i'm sick of talking about george bush and iraq and war so.... what were you like in high school?.

i was an orchestra geek.

i played violin and took all the math classes i could.

Marcos

Hey Aztec,

I was fascinated by gymnastics. I got on the team because track and field didnt suit me. I did fairly well as a gymnast. I experienced being popular for the first time in my life in school.

My parents were against it. The cong. was against it. I got counseled. I got harassed. My parents refused to attend my meets, which hurt because I usually placed well.

I became more rebellious and moved out of my parents house at 15. I had a ball! Went back to visit a few times but never moved back in.

School sports opened the door for me. I was a nice guy. I tried to tow the party line for another 8 years or so. But, could never really swallow it all even though I wanted to and tried really, really hard.

Marcos

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Strangest thing you were called on the carpet for.

by Icansaylucky in

i would like to hear some of the strangest or most ridiculous thing you got in trouble with the elders for.

here is mine.. back in the early 70's i was married at the age of 18, typical witness thing to do.

my husband who was 6 years older than i ruled me like a overly strict father.

Marcos

Yeah,

When I was in Bethel in the early 70s the Society had a room in one of the buildings where you could go and choose clothing that had been donated by the brothers. It was COLD outside. I couldnt afford to buy a winter coat so I always layered a t-shirt, shirt, one or two sweaters and a nylon jacket.

I went to the clothing room one day and found a long winter coat. I only used it to go to and from work. Someone made the comment that I looked like Poland, 1942 or some such comment. Later, I was counseled by one of the factory overseers regarding my look and that it brought reproach upon the Society and upon Bethel. I was told to ditch the coat.

If the clothes werent good enough, why were they there for us to use?

Just another loving provision of the Society that ended up biting me in the a$$!

Marcos

Edited because I can't spel(sp?)

Edited by - marcos on 23 January 2003 1:54:45