Posts by scotsman

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Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy

by Rabbit in

i'm guessing the wts and some others won't be capable of understanding this article ?

damn the torpedoes people -- full speed ahead !!.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_re_us/us_psychologists_gays/print.

scotsman

I've talked to a number of people who have tried reparative therapy, and it's a topic that's been explored by a number of gay JWs. None of them have resulted in a gay-to-straight switch. The gay JW support group actively discourages its members from undergoing it as they've concluded that it's mentally harmful. Being celibate for your faith is one thing, but imposing active heterosexuality is another, one that can have unfortunate consequences:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/15/gay-religion-acceptance-judaism

And it's not like there aren't compelling reasons, faith aside, to conform to the heteronormative:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8204853.stm

If that sort of persecution doesn't make you straight, will a chat and hug with a tubby, bearded counsellor be any more successful?

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Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy

by Rabbit in

i'm guessing the wts and some others won't be capable of understanding this article ?

damn the torpedoes people -- full speed ahead !!.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_re_us/us_psychologists_gays/print.

scotsman

BTS, do you suspect that therapy could turn of your attraction to women and switch it to men?

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Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy

by Rabbit in

i'm guessing the wts and some others won't be capable of understanding this article ?

damn the torpedoes people -- full speed ahead !!.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_re_us/us_psychologists_gays/print.

scotsman

Sexual orientation is not a "choice" and therefore cannot be changed through reparative therapy. If someone doesn't want to practice in same sex intercourse they do have that choice, but that doesn't mean their attraction to the same sex has ceased to exist. Psychology is there to help people and therfore shouldn't give them an unrealistc hope.

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Thank you to JWN member Confession

by Steve_C in

confession, thank you so much for posting this: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/180076/1/my-jw-parents-met-my-wife-but-would-not-see-me.

you and your wife have certainly taken the high road in this situation, and you've inspired me to do the same.. i'm a born-in who's been out for about 7 years; consequently, my mom and sister shun me.

they both live in the same town, about 800 miles from where i had been living.

scotsman

I too was impressed by your approach Confession, there's a lot to admire about "heaping burning coals"! I wonder what you would do in my situation...

2 years after I'd stopped attending meetings my mother told the CO that I was in a same-sex relationship and judicial moves were made. I ignored them and it came to nought so I'm not disfellowshipped. My eldest brother immediately cut contact but my mother and other brother with whom I was in business remained in almost daily contact. My family had been close, they were good company and we socialised, holidayed etc etc but the closeness dwindled as I no longer shared their beliefs or social lives. They refused to spend any time with my partner, now of 7+ years. The business relationship ended and my brother still wanted to meet for lunch occasionally but it was chat-lite and all about his life and I stopped meeting him 2 years agobecause I found seeing him rather depressing. My mum I still see about once a month, she's in her 70s, and alone. We had been very close but her instigation of having me disfellowshipped seriously fractured that. We have worked through it and while she's interested in knowing about my life, wont be part of it. She's lovely but devout, and would cut contact if I were disfellowshipped.

So, I've cut my elderly mum some slack, but not my brother... does it seem harsh?

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"Have You Heard The Latest?"

by minimus in

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as a jehovah's witness, that's the question that was always raised.

jws love to gossip.

they love to know what goes on in the business of another witness or family.

scotsman

JWs can't discuss politics, debate religion, science or philosophy, their education is curtailed, outside interests discouraged and contact limited to people who all share their mindset. After saying how great the latest WT/assembly/ new thought is they've got nothing left to do but talk about each other.

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Prince admits he is a JW in a talkshow

by Albert Einstein in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvvibxtshk0&nr=1.

scotsman

It's the rest of the interview that's surreal... chemtrails to blame for trouble in the neighbourhood, an angel telling him he was cured of epilepsy and then nonsense about seeing the UN on TV in London discussing the Bible a lot, something you dont get in America apparently - religion & politics mixing.

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Prince admits he is a JW in a talkshow

by Albert Einstein in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvvibxtshk0&nr=1.

scotsman

He's so whacked out. But still damn pretty.

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Is the WTS preparing for a MASS EXODUS?

by passwordprotected in

hobo ken and i were chatting about this yesterday.. the wts has past experience of losing vast numbers of members very quickly.

from their post-25 and post-75 experiences they will know how best to prepare their organisational structure to remain afloat when they experience another exodus.. we're only 5 years from the 100 year anniversary of ct russell walking into the dining room and announcing the gentile times had ended.

since then, millions of people have molded and adjusted their lives and personal expectations based on the date 1914. the wts must know that 2015 is going to bring with it one or two upset jws.... so, is the wts preparing for a mass exodus right now?.

scotsman

The nice thing about having an evolving "truth" is you can change with the times. JWs have and will no doubt continue to. I've come across a number of JWs whos relationship with their religion is very similar to other main stream Christians i.e. not devout, letter of the law types, with more of a social approach to their faith. They may be viewed as flakey by hardliners from within but they seem content. These may become an ever increasing component, puting in very few hours (or 15mins) each month and missing meetings for other events. These people weren't dfed in my time and don't seem to be now.

When you leave being a JW you percieve it with fresh eyes and because you've been duped once start seeing signs where there aren't any. Cutting back on publication and centralising authority seems sensible to me, becoming a more lightweight and possibly responsive corporation. Locally they're experiencing a resurgence through immigration - but globally it seems like stagnation persists which means a gradual shrinkage may follow. Saying that, the winds of economic change may blow some into the kingdom hall.

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Any Leonard Cohen fans?

by I quit! in

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i bought the leonard cohen "live in london"concert on dvd the other day and finally got around to playing it today.

it is a wonderful.

his song "hallelujah" was featured in shrek.

scotsman

It doesn't get any better than Take This Waltz, based on a Lorca poem.

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What really matters to the elders- Podcast 9 Judicial Hearing

by Hobo Ken in

this is the next part of the story, when the judicial hearings begin.

click on the link here to listen...deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

also free on itunes here.

scotsman

It's late and I'm razzled and probably shouldn't be posting....

Ethical?? why on earth would one expect a JC to be ethical? I'm unsure that "ethical" would even appear on their CDRom. Besty's rules #1&2 are exactly the case and while some JWs might hope for some empathy if faced with a JC, anyone who has expressed thoughts contrary to the WT knows they're for the high jump. It's their game and that's why I didn't play it.