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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?

by Terry in

who was the injured party?

in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".

adam and eve ate of it.

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Terry,

It seems to me that you're angry at God when you should be angry at mankind and satan!

If God is at fault for what happened to mankind in the garden of eden, then who is to blame for the eons of years of oppression, suffering, slavery, murder, wars, diseases, military weapons, drugs, racism, predjudice, slander, killings, weapons of mass destruction, division, crimes against children, crimes against humanity, polution, abuse of animals, raping of women and children in this world. I know I have not seen Jehovah hanging around the earth. I've seen his creations do more harm than good. There are people suffering around the world now as we speak in many different lands and I have yet to see any end to this calamity!

You say that God is at fault, but I have yet to see God except for his creations!

Also another point I would like to make regarding this post. Jehovah also placed in the garden the tree of life as well as the forbidden tree. He did not make any laws regarding the tree of life. So adam and eve had unlimited access to that tree. The only tree that he warned them of was the tree of the forbidden fruit, which they independently chose to eat off.

The point in which you should be considering is the fact that adam and eve were perfect intelligent beings who failed the easiest test that anyone could have passed living today! Jehovah did not give them the S.A.T., he basically told them do not eat of this tree or touch it, because you will positively die.

Now I don't know about you, but I'm kinda angry at my ancestor adam for not obeying that easy command.

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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?

by Terry in

who was the injured party?

in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".

adam and eve ate of it.

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Scully,

You are correct in saying that hiv is not a genetic defect and some children are born without hiv symptoms.

So that would mean that sin does not affect human genes. Tell me do you know of anyone living today that will not die because of sin?

If it does not affect our gene's then some of us should be able to live for thousands of years!

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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?

by Terry in

who was the injured party?

in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".

adam and eve ate of it.

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I'm not going to explain anything further! You have your opinion and I respect it! I don't have to live with it!

But speaking on moral decisions, If a murderer or a rapist decide to hurt someone they should not be held accountable. Since moral decisions aren't that important. Also thieves and drug dealers should not be held accountable for their immoral decisions, since they did not make people smoke drugs or secure their possessions. As a matter of fact, morals won't affect my physical body because I can do drugs, drink, smoke, have unprotected sex and nothings going to hurt me, because Terry says that moral decisions does not affect ones life.

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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?

by Terry in

who was the injured party?

in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".

adam and eve ate of it.

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Terry,

The fact of the matter is sin was transmissable to Adams offspring through genetics. Just as hiv, aids and other diseases, infections and disabilities can be spread from parent to offspring. Adam and Eve were like the only humans on the planet at that time, so it was kinda of a no brainer for Jehovah to see that their sin would affect the children they would have in the future.

Now as far as the judicial system is concerned, Jehovah explained to the tenants exactly what their rights were and what he expected of them. In other words they had a lease or contract to abide by and they failed to honor their lease. They seized property that did not belong to them and were evicted with bad credit.

The insult to Jehovah came when he gave them life, love and a home to call their own, all he wanted was some loyalty and respect. Just like an adulterous mate, they see something that they are not supposed to have and they go after it not thinking of the consequences, such as losing ones moral standing or good name or family. So Jehovah legally had every right to convict his tenants and he was insulted.

Now sin can be considered a personal matter that's true, but if there are only two humans on the earth, how can that be considered a personal matter? If there were others living at that time before mankinds fall from grace, then I could understand someone being innocent. When Adam sinned it affected him and his wife and their dna. Just like when a person is infected with hiv, they take it home to their spouse and infect not only the spouse, but infects the future children.

I know how you feel, but religiously, scientifically and spiritually Jehovah is innocent!!!

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Are the anointed declared righteous? While Great Crowd is not?

by M.J. in

in the revelation bookstudy this week, there was a subtle suggestion of another fundamental difference between members of the 144,000 and the great crowd:.

*** re chap.

9 p. 46 pars.

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To my knowledge no reward is received until they prove themselves til death. The white pebble and hidden manna is dispensed when they enter the Heavens.

They are then declared righteous when they finish their course of life on earth. No one is declared righteous unless God says they are

It's a free gift that cannot be earned

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

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I know for sure that the Heavenly calling did not cease in 1935. This calling is still going on at present. I feel the WTS made the first mistake of counting the anointed in the first place. They should have never started doing that anyway.

Second they should not have placed literature stating that the calling had ceased. People make mistakes that's understandable. Also they need to stop saying that a person is only called who is baptised. A person can be called even before he is baptised with water. The scriptures show it plainly.

The final sealing is done when that person faithfully conforms to God's standards of living and conduct and then dies as a faithful servant. John the baptiser was far more righteous than his followers who became Apostles to our Lord Jesus, but Jehovah chose those who are lesser than John the baptiser.

So the anointed are insignificant to the world, rejects, broken and unwanted by the world of mankind. They are torn and abused by this ungodly world, they are rejected even amongst their brothers who they love dearly.

The truly anointed ones who have the Heavenly calling will definitely be rejected by their own christian brothers and sisters.

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Can a person become anointed before being baptised?

by unbaptized in

can a person become anointed before being baptised?

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How do you know what I am? The point is this is an informational site. People have points of interest regarding the Org and it's beliefs. I do not come across as knowing everything, but I have read comments from people who claim to know everything. They also insult people with all kinds of comments. I've never insulted anyone on this site, I respect everyones opinion. But what I am seeking is information from every source, cause I firmly believe that everyone has an opinion and should be heard.

Now Frannie to my knowledge Jesus did not leave the religion of the Jews but he fulfilled it's obligation and constituted a new convenant with his followers. Christians are not under the law of the Jews, but still obey the principles of the law. So how could Jesus start a new religion?

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Can a person become anointed before being baptised?

by unbaptized in

can a person become anointed before being baptised?

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Frannie,

I understand the situation you were confronted with when dealing with the Org. But all of God's servants had to contest with issues similar to yours.

John started preaching in the wilderness and telling people they needed to make changes because the Messiah was comming, he did not hate the Israelite Nation because there were religious leaders who did not obey God, he basically did what he was assigned to do. Now John said what he had to say about the religious leaders during his time, but he did not say he wanted to be no part of the Israelite Brotherhood. He did not disown his people because the leaders were misleading people or corrupt. John stayed faithful and did what he had to do.

Bottom line God does the judging!!!!!!!!

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Can a person become anointed before being baptised?

by unbaptized in

can a person become anointed before being baptised?

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Frannie,

Also remember when Philip baptised the Ethiopian after explaining some biblical scriptures. The Ethiopian was not baptised or anointed with the Holy Spirit. That explains alot here, everyone is not baptised with Holy Spirit as the Holy Ones.

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Can a person become anointed before being baptised?

by unbaptized in

can a person become anointed before being baptised?

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Who are you to say that I'm not?