Posts by Iwasyoungonce

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Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?

by Gamaliel in

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to whom it may concern, .

i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.

it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.

Iwasyoungonce

Gamaliel,

Just remember that we may share some of the same emotions. But, they may or may not be for the same reasons. For me the only good thing to come "out" of the Jehovah Witnesses is my wife. Whom I love very much. For me there is nothing "in" that society. There has never been a "good" like there was for so many. I rejected the love bombing because I knew what is was. When my son came of age I put a stop to it. And that is why shit it the fan for me. I do not miss my JW family at all. Being here encouraged me to do more research on the mindset of the average Jehovah Witness. And I call it mind control. If you accept everything that the WT says then they control you. If you choose to only look selectivly for information that supports the ideology that you want to believe then you will always be satified. Even if it defies all logic and reality itself.

My issue with balancing the JW/Silentlambs issue was not that it is or is not worthy. It is, "should I be doing more for all the children of horrible crime as well?" And if so what does that mean? My point is I do not wish to become obsessed with the jwishness it. I don't wish to hate JW's. But, Damit they make it hard to not do that!

Another thing to remember is that Silentlambs is also fighting for active Jehovah Witnesses too. Please don't forget that. Dispite the outright hate and hostility shown towards the supporters of Silentlambs by so many of the Jehovah Witnesses, it is them too that they are fighting for. What is perfect is that the desire is to be inclusive and not exclusive. And that is a blessed thing.

Last, the "not talking as much to people"...I'm feeling rather weathered mostly. It's my problem and I'll deal with it. I still stand 100% for the flag of Silentlambs and what it is for and whom that it serves.(lambs)

Thanks for your posts Gamaliel, I hope that we talk more.

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Anyone ever go "Evil Slaving?"

by avishai in

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i don't picket, but have been known to slip silent lambs brochures in watchtowers @ the laundromat, & also go stand next to them in the streetwork & hand out silentlams brochures.

they don't seem to like this, & they always turn around & leave, to which i usually yell, hey guys, where you goin?

' can't we all just get along?

Iwasyoungonce

avishai,avishai, I love your wicked awsome sense of humor!

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Forever Bashing JW's??

by ScoobySnax in

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ok.....here's one for you.....maybe this follows on from previous posts about not forever being "ex-jws" as after all, you say you have to move on, and many here claim that they have.....however reading most posts here it becomes obvious that that doesn't seem to be the case.

many seem to be trapped in a "go get 'em" crusade against the jws that seems to go round and round ...... and others just go round.. why?

how long before resolution occurs?

Iwasyoungonce

Scooby, You are right. And so is JT. And so is RevMalk. And so is COMF. And the others. And me? Maybe. I might be. But, I lack the ability to see myself truly as others see me.

If I could have a wish granted it would be the best to you Scooby and to everyone else as well.

Ask yourself; Why are you here? That is what is right for you. That is how you will read what everyone else says. Here, the answers will come from you regardless of what other people say. Here mostly, no one knows what we do. They only know what we say. They are sometimes two different things.

Most of my issues here come from the logic of my last sentences. When the spirit of another is to deal you and others ill will you should stay clear of that spirit. You should warn others if they will listen. Here and in real life.

Just because the terrorists of 9/11 say that they did it for their god "Allah". That does not make it right. Just because JW's do other things to inflict pain and suffering on people in the name of their god "Jehovah." That does not make it OK to hurt people. If you consider saying that "bashing" JW's then I stand guilty.

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Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?

by Gamaliel in

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to whom it may concern, .

i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.

it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.

Iwasyoungonce

I can say that Gamaliel simply stated feelings that I do have over the latest about SL. There has been a lot of changes in attitude and in what I see in the site. That does not mean that the main theme is not to try and help the victims of the abuses as stated in it's charter. I don't believe that anyone is being mislead or that there is any objective than to help people. How can I say anything negative about that. I don't. I say thank you to everyone that has helped this cause. It is a good one. And I have put my money where my mouth is on this. Gamaliel's questions to me, were more on the line of level of involvment; Money, emotion, and time. I have also questions what can I do that is the most effective to help these people. And that is a whole can of worms. The questions are fair and they also speak my heart as well. I believe the victims that say they have been violated. There is little more that I can do. I have no evidence to bring forward to sue over. I believe that the WTBS has willfully abandoned it's own here. But that seems a common practice with this group. I have said my story too many times. I have said my feelings about this group too many times. That this rape and domestic violence goes on anywhere disgusts me. That it is most likly that any victims that live in a Jehovah Witness home stand a very high chance of continual harassment and violation or shunning and who knows what else breaks my heart. And I know it will continue because those that have the power to chance this stituation refuse to change. They are wrong. Will "we" be divided. No. because #1 Witness type unity does not exist here. (Thank God) #2 Real unity does exist here. And that real unity may twist and bend and even crack. But, it will not break. So even though for now I am taxed with the current bantering. Which I am guilty of too. I still support Silentlambs as best I can. I will be doing so finacialy too. I believe in its cause. And I also believe in Bill Bowen and Ray Franz as well. They may not be able to thank each other. But I thank both of them. Thank you guys. Finally, Thank you to the lambs that tell what happened to them. You are brave.

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Should I continue to support Bill Bowen?

by Gamaliel in

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friends

to whom it may concern, .

i have contributed financially to the cause of silentlambs.org and have, to a smaller extent, even promoted the website.

it is difficult enough to fathom the depth of hurt heaped on humankind, but impossible for me to understand how such suffering can be compounded with injustice, as i read experiences on silentlambs.org.

Iwasyoungonce

Gamaliel,

I share your frustration and also have hope that soon the Silentlambs resources will be more than it currently is. But with Jehovah Witness plagonomics at work I don't think that much can change. I have this week inparticular, come to the belief that the only way to deal with the sickness that the Jehovah Witness mentality has given me is to again lay down the sword and walk away. Not from the issue mind you. Just from pretending that just because it is done to a Jehovah Witness by a Jehovah Witness that it is somehow more henious than of it were done by a Catholic or even a non religous person. It does just eat at me how the JW children and other victims are so snowed. I could (And have) just screamed. But I have to accept that they choose their course in life as do I. I know that children don't. Those childrens parents will have to live with the hell that they put their kids though. God help them.

In the real world there are so many good charites and organizations that anyone can join. I think that if you are sincere in wanting to donate money to worthy causes you will find them. And maybe you will consider joining in making a better world for us all. I know that I do.

I will probably still financial support Silentlambs. But at this point that desire to donate my money is strained. I no longer talk about the site as I talked to everyone a few months ago. This is also the last JW site that I post at. And that is also strained. I don't want to allow the Jw's any more of my time. Everything is so negative. I can't even find one positive thing to say accept I am glad that people leave. I have even thought well what if I was one. What could be positive? And I did see public speaking and knowing that your reality can be over ridden if you let it. But for me it is all bad. And that is sad.

I can see how this Ray vs Bill thing is so flamed. But for me I look at it and say what a waste of time. Which then is applied to all of it and I go full circle. I think it is time to get off the mary go round.

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Let's Blame Ray Franz For Everything!!!

by minimus in

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i continue to read how franz is to blame for every wrong because, after all, he was on the governing body and he had to know everything that went on.

some here say, "let's drop this issue".

these same ones continue to bring it up.

Iwasyoungonce

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Sorry if pics won't/don't come up.

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Let's Blame Ray Franz For Everything!!!

by minimus in

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i continue to read how franz is to blame for every wrong because, after all, he was on the governing body and he had to know everything that went on.

some here say, "let's drop this issue".

these same ones continue to bring it up.

Iwasyoungonce

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These guys eat everything.

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Let's Blame Ray Franz For Everything!!!

by minimus in

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i continue to read how franz is to blame for every wrong because, after all, he was on the governing body and he had to know everything that went on.

some here say, "let's drop this issue".

these same ones continue to bring it up.

Iwasyoungonce

Mulan,

When I used to raise hand fed finch they would ride around in my shirt pockets.

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Let's Blame Ray Franz For Everything!!!

by minimus in

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i continue to read how franz is to blame for every wrong because, after all, he was on the governing body and he had to know everything that went on.

some here say, "let's drop this issue".

these same ones continue to bring it up.

Iwasyoungonce

You can condem the action of a person and still love, admire, or be thankful of other things that a person has done. It seems that so many people believe that these two are beyond reproach. Um, I wonder where that mentality came from. And Minimus is taking full advantage of it; Sad.

I believe that stupidity is an action derived from a state of mind. Usually a delusional or ignorant mind. Both have done very stupid things in there life. (Lord knows I have too.) And now both have worked to correct or make amends for many of those actions. So I think that both men can be admired and or condemed at the same time. People need to get over it. (If you are under it anyway.) I.e. Stop screwing with it. Deal with it and move on. Or, bicker and make Minimus proud. Kinda like Jerry Springer. Too bad we don't get to see the ugly dog fights.

Minimus you make a good ring leader.

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Worldy Compassion & Generosity

by pettygrudger in

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last friday, one of our employees' home burned to the ground, killing all 3 of his children.

i began the process of taking up a collection, buying the card, etc.

all of us were shocked to the core for this man's tragedy and suffering.

Iwasyoungonce

Post the name of somewhere (A bank or lodge) that is taking in donations and I will send something too.