Posts by Iwasyoungonce

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Is the USA a bully?

by Robdar in

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i was watching the news last night.

the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

Iwasyoungonce

I guess I am just a dumb ass.

Use non bombing ways to deal with mother DELETED and we are peices of shit. As in Korea we have more options to deal with the situation before it comes down to force.

Use force against even Hitler like forces and we are "bullies" and peices of shit. You know personally I don't think all of the people of Asia, Africa, and the Middle East are worth one American life. They DELETED up their own countries let them figure out how to solve them. If they want to rape and kill and starve thier own people DELETED them! They made the mess not us.

I am done here. The posts here are not worth my time. And before it is said nope no one made me ever do it. Caring about the Jehovah Witness syndrome was my mistake and one I will correct right now. It was all said that the people who leave here can't hack it. "They don't last." I guess I am one of those pussies. I guess I just can't hack it in the "big leagues." Can't be with the intellectual greatness that ferments here.

You know the "Silentlambs" movement is the same thing. I guess I am just a "bully" for getting involved. The Jehovah Witnesses DELETED up thier own kids let them deal with it. OK I am out of that arena too.

This week I will be driving my best friend to the Airport and back to his Army Base. I have no doubt that he will be shipped out soon after. Maybe I will never see him again. Ya, he is the tool of the "bully." What bull DELETED

I will be closing my account and will never speak about "Them" again.

And to those "Not in my name" people DELETED YOU TOO!

Edited by - Englishman on 1 January 2003 19:8:57

Edited by - Englishman on 1 January 2003 19:10:57

Edited by - Simon on 1 January 2003 19:14:34

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Bring the draft back? I fear for our sons..

by LyinEyes in

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i am feeling a bit emotional today,,,,,, i was watching cnn today and there is a big debate going on , if they are going to do another draft like back in the vietnam war.

this made me stand still in my tracks.

omg.

Iwasyoungonce

I took this off of AOL news.

"Rep. Charles Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War, says he plans to introduce legislation to resume the military draft in the event of a war against Iraq.

Rangel said the prospect of a draft would make Congress less likely to support a war. President Bush has said he doesn't intend to revive the draft, which ended in 1973."

AGAIN (((President Bush has said he doesn't intend to revive the draft, which ended in 1973.)))

Rangel is putting forward propaganda (as he knows this is a dead peice before he submits it to congress. It is politics and bull.) It is meant to do exactly what it is doing to you; Make you fear. It is your son's choice to decide what to do when he is of age. He might join the armed forces he might not. As to a draft it is not needed now so wait to worry. And if there is ever a draft then wait to worry until it is his lot. And if his lot is drawn and he decides to go then wait to worry until you know his posting. Being at ground zero of a war is not as likly as it once was.

I have a son too. I also have a little daughter. I hope neither has to see the horror of war. But unfortunally there are very bad people in this world. And it is the people of the Armed Forces in the US, Canada, and most of Europe that keep civillians like me safe and sheltered from war. I thank them. There are Police forces that help to keep the domestic peace. They are not thanked or respected enough. There are armed citizens who also protect themselves and others from harm every day. I thank them as well. It is these people who make the way for others to come to aide and teach people better ways to be. Bono has a great plan for Africa. His way IMO has the best chance for stability and long term peace. Dealing with or codling crimials, looney dictators, and Authoritarian Governments only delay the enevitable conflicts and wars. I agree with Reagan, "Peace through Strength."

If my son was called to duty I would never try to make him not take his place. If I could I would take it for him. I would also stand beside all of my fellow Americans. I am glad that the pacifist "Peace at any cost" people are the minority. This attitude that "the world must love us, and we have to accept others whatever they do" I say NO. No I will not. I will use deadly force to defend myself and my family if need be. I will support my Government to do the same. There are some people that are evil. You can not give them enough money nor can you give them enough love, you can not understand them. There are some people who just need killing. As a Country and a World we are too quick to avoid dealing with unacceptable treatment of humanity. The world needs to be more responsible and accountable; That includes the UN and the USA. And there are somethings and some people who are not worth negotiating with period.

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I need advise please

by WildHorses in

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i once posted about my son, and his being given a ticket for public intoxication.

well, he came home a while ago drunk.

i flew off the handle and we had a few words.

Iwasyoungonce

Talking from experience. I did it to my Mom too. Finally I had some choices, move out or get in line with Mom's rules. (I got an MIP at 18 too. So did both my brothers) It is pretty common. But don't ask for stats. (I have none)

Prior it was a long battle between Mom and my lifestyle. I started out at 15. I never went any farther than beer minus a few horrible experiences with hard liquor. Truth is as a teenager parties are fun. It will screw you up in school, work and life. But it seems like fun. These guys are your friends. "Misery loves company." If a person with an addiction problem that does not want help is a lot like trying to show someone in the WT that there is a problem with what the doctrine does to the individuals perception of reality. (They will not listen until they either hit rock bottom or something happens that changes them.) I doubt your son sees the reality of what drinking does to a person at a young age. It makes them less focused on success. Which is the goal, escapism. The real question is how can he afford it?

When the real world hit me in the face, meaning rent, food, power, forget things like phone and tv. No way, drinking was something I could not afford. And just getting someone to rent me an apartment was such a hassle. Nothing like the real world slapping you in the face to make you pull your head out of your butt. My Mom kicking my bum ass to the curb was the kindist thing she could have done. I thought I knew it all. And with someone else paying the real bills it was all figured out.

The thing to remember is at 18 he is not wearing dipers any more. He is a man. And as a man if he will not respect you then you will have to give him his first lesson in life. If you crap on those who love and care for you at some point they will stop providing you the ability to hurt them. Don't be a door mat not even for your son.

BTW is he still on your auto ins? Because if he hits someone in your car or one on your policy you can be sued. And if he is drunk the policy might not pay out. It happened to my parents with my brother. (He was not drunk or drinking) They were sued for 2 million dollars. And they don't have any money to sue for. (It was settled out of court with the ins.)

Anyway I hope something here is worth using.IMO If it's your house it's your rules.

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What would life be like if the WTBS never existed

by Iwasyoungonce in

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what would your life be like if the entire watchtower organization never was.

Iwasyoungonce

What would your life be like if the entire Watchtower Organization never was.

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Who exactly is "JW" here?

by ScoobySnax in

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recognising that this board is mainly for ex-jws/anti-jws/in the process of leaving/......... i'm interested to know how many here out of the thousands that post are pro-jw (or wt apologists to be more politically correct here) be that inactive/active, but still holding to the faith.

(p.s.

i'm not a p.o/c.o/ member of the gb either before u ask!

Iwasyoungonce

ScoobySnax, I would never use that kind of language to you or anyone. You called yourself that and you called Jonadab that. You seem to have a point of saying what you think as what others say.

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Would you let anyone else treat you like JW's do?

by Iwasyoungonce in

i was reading another thread and thought wait a god damned minute!.

who here would take the abusive language that is taken from the jehovah witnesses by anyone else?

they don't act like this in service.

Iwasyoungonce

I was reading another thread and thought WAIT A GOD DAMNED MINUTE!

Who here would take the abusive language that is taken from the Jehovah Witnesses by anyone else? They don't act like this in service. (Well I had one that did.) Why is it so acceptable for them to act like such asses in private and, as a general rule it is accepted? Why? If someone else did it would you be willing to be called names that equal "nigger?" That is what I think of as the "apostate" term is used by them. They are using defaming slang and yet the word bigot is rarly applied. Why? I have seen many people here who would, and probably could, kick my butt if I acted with 1 tenth of the arrogance that these guys think they can. Sometimes cleaning someones clock is exactly what they need. I am not advocating assult. I am saying stand up for yourself. Call them on it if they are flipping bull. And allow them the same curtesy. If they get rude throw them the hell out of your house. If they do it in their house or in public leave them where they are. Just walk away. If they challenge you physicly defend yourself. Don't put yourself in the position where they have power over you making you feel that you have to endure the petty putdowns and back-biting. Never let someone hit you to silence you. That is just plain wrong. It is not acceptable. They would not endure it if they were the ones being put down. The JW's call that persecution. They want respect. It is something that is earned. Just because you are a church member, parent, friend, or famliy member you do not have the right to verbally or physically assult someone. They do it. There should be a price for it. We teach people how they can treat us. The Jehovah Witnesses teach us to fear them. Often we do fear what they might do if we challenge their percived authority. It is not respect, it is fear. Until one day you are not afraid any more. There are many more of us than there are of them. 6 million so what. Ever look at world statistics? In numbers they are but a worm. They have no credibility much less authority. I will never bow down to them to be abused or lied to again. Never.

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Words from my brother

by Elsewhere in

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in the bible, who are the small flock and who are the great crowed, and what do they have to do with jehovah?

how is the spiritual food distributed to gods people.

what relation does jesus have with the anointed remnant, and who are they?

Iwasyoungonce

windchaser,

You are wise. "Sometimes it's best just to leave things as they are."

Elsewhere,

One thing that could be done is to take all the hate filled things he said to you clip them and send them back asking if this is how he treats all people in the name of God. After all "god" is dependent on them keeping his name clean.

Elsewhere for what it's worth I bet you would make a fine brother. If yours dosn't want ya then we (if anyone is with me) will have to adopt you. If I am alone then I'd take ya any day.

He owes you an apology and I hope one day you get it.

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silentlambs board gets name change & new ...

by wednesday in

just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.

due to too much ngeative talk.

possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.

Iwasyoungonce

I read all of this in one read and now I have a headache.

Matt, thank you.

To everyone who has helped those who have been hurt, thank you.

Bill thank you as well. But, the issues here are bigger than one persons perceptions of the way it aught to be. People will always do what they think is best. Alienating everyone who does not do it your way and you will wind up alone. And you can not do this alone. Again thank you I respect all that you have done. But we are only at the end of the begining.

Do I stand alone when I seem to see a lot of "WT" mentality. Do it this way or that way as I say or else.

Who is Silentlambs.Inc? Who controls it? Who is in charge?

(Jay of the Deflated, Headhurting and confused class)

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Forgiveness

by JH in

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forgiveness is something that god asks of us.

if we forgive others, we shall also be forgiven.

since it is so important to forgive, i wonder if the congregation forgives our faults, or if they mark down in a file all our wrong doings that they can find.

Iwasyoungonce

(My experience through interaction)

The ruling class of Elders pardon or execute. They neither forgive or forget, it is about the external act of pardon. Forgiving is an internal action. The entire religious order wants nothing to do with the act of forgiving. My take is that one is too scared for their own place in the pecking order. Individual loyalty, true love, and hope, these are all casualties when the act of forgiving is forced. In the act of deciding who gets pardoned and who gets sent to the gallows, forgiveness is not relevent. And for them being disfellowshipped or not is all that matters.

All this to show the mercy or the "Power" that the elders hold over those who are willing to subjegate themselves. Their (elders) greatest fear is that families and friends will one day stand together and say "No I won't." At that moment the power of fear that these men have lifted like fog. J.M.O.

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Words from my brother

by Elsewhere in

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friends

in the bible, who are the small flock and who are the great crowed, and what do they have to do with jehovah?

how is the spiritual food distributed to gods people.

what relation does jesus have with the anointed remnant, and who are they?

Iwasyoungonce

Slave class ???Slave class ???? I have never read the term JW in the Bible as used by the WT. Nor did I see exact from the Bible in context scripture having your brothers back. Of course to disprove him you will be required to produce exact scripture. (Over something not in the Bible)

Elsewhere your brother is very lucky to have you.

A doctrine debate OK

The Wt loves the term slave. Slave this and slave that. By serving the WT you are a good little slave.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. So, stand firm, and don't let yourselves be burdened by a harness of slavery."
- Paul, in the letter to the Galatians, 5:1 The whole chapter is clearer how important the very concept of freedom is to me but that leaves more room to argue the definition of what "is" is. Scully, You said the "Good News." Do you mean;? This below right? "After John the Baptizer was put in prison, Jesus returned to Galilee and told everyone this good news from God: 'The time is here! God's Kingdom is arriving! Make yourself ready and believe this good news is true!'"
- Mark 1:14-15 If so then what EXACTLY did Jesus say that it is? What exactly did he say to do? Elsewhere, Why are you an athiest? Have you ever explained the courage it takes to be one? (To your brother) I admire people who can say, mean, and believe that there is not a "God" or "Heaven" ect ect. That this is it. You live, you eat, you deficate, and procreate, then at some point you die. (As it is a proven theroy) You would have to have a lot of courage to be that strong. IMO BTW one of my friends who died this year, he was a devout athiest; and one of the finest Christians I have ever known.