Posts by Phil

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Why is the Bible wrong?

by StinkyPantz in

this primarily goes out to other agnostics and athiests.

this week i got into two interesting conversations that i will admit that i was ill prepared for.

one was with a jw friend of mine who wanted to know why i thought jw's were wrong.

In this year 2003 it is hard to believe that the Bible has been written without error. To date there has never been found an original manuscript of the Bible.All everyone has ever had are translations of translations of translations and copies of copies of copies.Before the invention of the printing press in the 15th century, no two translations were ever alike. THe production of books, or translations was exceedingly slow ans erroneous. Translators made many mistakes.

To have an infallible Bible, the oral tradition would have had to be passed down "infallibly" after having been "infallibly" started followed by thousands of infallible translators and thousands of "infallible" interpreters or "infallible" readers to "infallible" interpreter etc.

Then we can consider the various hundreds of Bibles available today you may ask which one is the infallible one assuming you can read infallibly.

You can spend your entire life reading all the documentation there is in the world in search of "THE" religion and you will be more confused than before you started.

If you make it simple and choose any run of the mill religion, remove the doctrine they epose and live your life by what you have left you will do ok. If you think God is going to help you if you pray to him you are living an illusion. You and you alone can control your destiny by seeking out your own soul that is present in all of us. Once you have found it you will be the happier for it.

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Awake and such

by Phil in

my daughter joined the jw and on various occasions i have asked her some questions about the jws and their practices.

her responses always seemed to be incomplete.

a question i have for you folkes on the board is what kind of remuneration does the jw organization get from the members and what do the elders and others do in the way getting the necessary funds from the members.

Phil

My daughter joined the JW and on various occasions I have asked her some questions about the JWs and their practices. Her responses always seemed to be incomplete.

A question I have for you folkes on the board is what kind of remuneration does the JW organization get from the members and what do the elders and others do in the way getting the necessary funds from the members. Is it a set understanding or what. How much is "recommended" for the various hand outs. If they get payment from a "customer" for the printed material, do they keep it or must they hand it in to the organization. Do JWs practice tithing as practiced in many religions.

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Chew the facts....

by Jb9963 in

if anyone at all would reply to this, it would be great.

first off i'd like to say i only want mature people to reply, so that should cut down on some of the flak that will indefinitely be received for posting this.

i have a few topics i would love to cover with you jehovah's witnesses.

Phil

Would you please send me these actual quotes. Do you have the actual JW documents where it appears? That wouls be even better.

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Doctrine

by Phil in

i am researching the christian bible and all the versions that exist today.

i have heard that the jw bible was printed in the 1950s.

does anyjone know who were the persons in the jw organization(s) were responsible for the changes made.. .

Phil

What a response. Bravo!!

How on earth do you go about getting such detailed information. I was also interested in obtaining all I can get on Russell but I don't know how. Can you give me an idea?

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Doctrines

by Phil in

all religions have doctrines.

these doctrines, without exception have been "invented " by man.so it does not matter which religion you choose, you are relying on what a man or group of men say or think what god wants.

various religions have different ways of indoctrinating a person into believing in what he says.

Phil

"Are you serious"?

YOU BET!

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Doctrines

by Phil in

all religions have doctrines.

these doctrines, without exception have been "invented " by man.so it does not matter which religion you choose, you are relying on what a man or group of men say or think what god wants.

various religions have different ways of indoctrinating a person into believing in what he says.

Phil

All religions have doctrines. These doctrines, without exception have been "invented " by man.So it does not matter which religion you choose, you are relying on what a man or group of men say or think what God wants. Various religions have different ways of indoctrinating a person into believing in what he says. If you elect to join a religion just wipe out the doctrine part and you are back to the basics which is useful to run a society and generate the necessary laws to live with.

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Daughter still in Patterson

by Phil in

my daughter was cohersed to marry her present husband and they moved to patterson to do what ever they do there.

it realy affected the family, particularly me.

i was wondering if there is anyone who reads these messages knows my daughter.

Phil

Patterson New Jersey

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Answer door?

by Phil in

a few years ago we lived in a different city and my wife and i had a battle when a jw would come to the door.

my wife liked to hide and like to answer the door and talk to them.

i am rather stubborn that way.

Phil

A few years ago We lived in a different city and my wife and I had a battle when a JW would come to the door. My wife liked to hide and like to answer the door and talk to them. I am rather stubborn that way. Noone on this planet is going to stop me from doing what I want in my own home.

The last visit was with a woman who thought she knew everything. I told her that she was misguided. The reply was "of course not". Well I mentioned that I had a book "Crisis... and in the same sentence I mentioned that she would not be permitted to read it as it was on JW shit list. Well she proceded to read me the riot act and that noone is going to tell her what to read or not read.

I handed her the book and told her she can borrow the book so she could take it with her. She took the book and I haven't seen her since. I wonder what happened to her?

In a previous encounter, I asked what was her definition of a lie. Her answer was an "untruth". So I countered with the question, "what if I were to describe a situation that happened and I omitted certain aspects which would lead you to believe the opposite to what actually happened, would you consider it a lie. She was totally speechless. For a JW to be speechless, especially her, is a rare event. I find that in having a conversation with JW's it is best to ask questions and study to find out what questions to ask.

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Daughter still in Patterson

by Phil in

my daughter was cohersed to marry her present husband and they moved to patterson to do what ever they do there.

it realy affected the family, particularly me.

i was wondering if there is anyone who reads these messages knows my daughter.

Phil

My daughter was cohersed to marry her present husband and they moved to Patterson to do what ever they do there. It realy affected the family, particularly me. I was wondering if there is anyone who reads these messages knows my daughter. She has been ther for about 5 years. Anyone who lhas lived there recently please contact me at [email protected]

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Who was the Bible written for?

by orgbuster in

i am having a discussion with my elder bro-in-law, and he says the bible was written for all people.... but i'm sure i've read somewhere that the wt says its only meant to be understood by the faithful and discreet slave..or 144,000..am i right?

i'm a bit confused on this point.

anyone got any references that i can include in my reply to my jw bro?.

Phil

Anyone who takes the bible contents literally or any way that suggests that a persons life must be so regimented that if not followed according to an individual's or group of individuals interpretation will be condemned, needs some degree of psyciatric care. There is no indication that the belief systems in operation today were ever created, invented or associated with God. If a person thinks that the proof is contained in the bible itself, it is the same as asking a salesman how good is the product he is selling. There is no doubt that the Bible does contain some words of wisdom. The only sensible deduction is that these words were indeed written and/or said by very brilliant men of the time.