Posts by Chap

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Christianity is the worst disaster in human history!

by happysunshine in

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is there any basis for these claims?.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

Chap

I saw on the jesusneverexisted site that the Apostle Paul stated lying was ok. Romans 3:7 was used. This was clearly taken out of context to falsely prove what the people who wrote the site want to believe. I do not know about the other person. Here is the text in context. Judge for yourselves.

Romans 3:1-8 King James Version
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? [2] Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. [3] For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. [5] But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) [6] God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? [7] For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? [8] And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

Luke has proven to be a far more reliable historian than Josephus. I'd be interested to see the rest of Josepus' work on the subject since I quoted all the author of the book I have stated.

Abaddon, The reason I started this thread is because I thought the three guys that are doing the seminar could answer the questions you have better than I could. The seminar is an hour and fifty minutes long so it should touch on your questions. Also Hank Hanegraaffe has a new book out called The Third Day available at his website www.equip.org

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Causing divisions is doing God's will!

by rebel in

i was speaking to hubby tonight.

i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.

i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.

Chap

rebel,

I was never a JW. I don't know if this line of reasoning will help but gently try this. Ask him if something is true like "is the sky blue?" Try asking him questions until you get him to admit that everything that exists is "the truth." You may know this scripture from memory. John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (KJV) (underlining mine)

Ask him to explain how Jesus is not claiming to be none other than God and not Michael the Archangel as Watchtower claims. You may also ask him how the watchtower is not "disowning" Jesus by lying about who he says he is. Another scripture is John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Here Jesus claims to have existed forever. Notice it doesn't say he was created before Abraham. I hope this helps and gives you strength.

You also may want to take the strategy of going to the KH. See 1st Peter 3. By doing this and your husband knowing that you think the organization is a lie might eat him up on the inside. This might take time and a lot of patience but it might work better than arguing with him all the time. He will not be able to say that you are divisive. Remember, God sees all and you need not fill out time cards. Hehe.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

A while ago, I think Abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for Christ's resurection in response to something I wrote. I believe I stated that if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

In a book called Can Christianity Be Proven? Beyond Reasonable Doubt! by Robert J. Morgan, the author states that Josephus described Jesus as a wise man that was crucified and

"on the third day he appeared to them restored to life...and the sect of Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

Morgan got this info from Dr. Mireille Hadas-Lebel, ancient history scholar and professor at the National Institute of Oriental Languages and Civilizations in Paris.

There is a broadcast seminar to appear at many churches on Palm Sunday afternoon if anyone is interested. This seminar will be given by Hank Hanegraaff, Mark Mittelberg and Lee Strobel. I don't know which churches will broadcasting this and I know mine isn't so I had to contact the company. The church I attend isn't broadcasting the seminar. I plan on going and taking notes. To find a place that is broadcasting the seminar, contact CCN and tell them the area code in which you live so they can search that way.

For More Information contact:
Church Communication NetworkPhone: (800) 321-6781
www.ccnonline.net

More info about the seminar can be found at Hank Hanefraaff's website www.equip.org

P.S. The head of the organization to which I belong knows everything so you don't have to tell me if you attend a broadcast of this seminar. I will not be handing in a card.

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Prove It!

by Chap in

as far as i know, most people believe there was nothing, then it happened, then there was something, which still exists today.

is what most people believe possible?

is the truth able to be determined logically?

Chap

I have heard it said from the pulpit that God created out of nothing. I have also heard it said (from the same pulpit) that God is omnipresent. If God is omnipresent, (present at all places at all times) than nothing does not exist unless parts of God do not exist. So it seems to me that God did not create out of nothing but out of what exists or himself. (Side note; would the proper term be themself? I know this is not an English word but it seems to be the proper term.)

I have heard it said from the pulpit that God exists outside of time. Since time is measured in terms of infinity (without beginning or end) than is it possible for God to exist outside of themself?

More tomorrow (maybe)

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America is Babylon the Great?...What are the consequences to be

by Brummie in

this belief is a growing phenomena since 9/11, i did a search on google after someone mentioned on this board that they believe america is btgreat and it came up with pages in support of this view!

this belief is also being pushed by false prophets like jack van imp, he also claimed that osma was the anti-christ shortly after 9/11.

the consequences of pushing this doctrine will cause more fanatics to justify attacks against the usa or promote the belief "they deserve it", how sick.

Chap

I believe the Bible is referring to Nebuchadnezzer's Babylon which is in Iraq as Saint Satan has pointed out. Saddam Hussein has been rebuilding that city since he took power in 1979. There are supposed orders on clay tablets written by Nebuchadnezzer or one of his top associates to rebuild Babylon when/if it got destroyed. Saddam Hussein refers to Nebuchadnezzer as a fellow Arab so he is not sparing any expense to build the city even though it contains pagan idols and such which totally goes against the Muslim religion.

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Prove It!

by Chap in

as far as i know, most people believe there was nothing, then it happened, then there was something, which still exists today.

is what most people believe possible?

is the truth able to be determined logically?

Chap

Farkel said:

Let me ask you a question, then: can "everything" exist if the only set is "nothing?"

I see two possibilities. There can be "it exists" or "it does not exist" We are in the "subset" as you call it, "it exists" which can understand "nothing" as a concept. We are not in the "subset" "it does not exist." If "nothing" exists, than the concept "everything" would not exist. The concept "nothing" would not exist either.

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Prove It!

by Chap in

as far as i know, most people believe there was nothing, then it happened, then there was something, which still exists today.

is what most people believe possible?

is the truth able to be determined logically?

Chap

If you don't have enough to think about or are not confused enough, I have the following to throw in.

Who is Jesus Christ?

Was he just a good teacher? A good man? The founder of another religion? It is recorded that he said John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV)

Those two words I underlined say this. Jesus claimed to be the always existing God. The Jews understood this. That is why they tried to stone him because they thought he blasphemed. People who say that Jesus never claimed to be God do not understand what the Bible says.

How about this one:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (KJV) underlining mine

Mohammad claimed to be God's only prophet and lots of people who founded religions said they are the official spokesmen of God, but did anyone speak like it is recorded how Jesus spoke? Jesus said "I am the truth". If you stop for a minute to contemplate what that means, you may understand better the initial post of this thread.

I can tell the truth but when someone claims to be "the truth", isn't he claiming to be all of reality or all that exists? This person is one of only two possibilities; God or "The Lie". Let me put it this way, if Jesus is not God or all that exists, he could only be the worst scum to ever walk the planet. I see no middle ground here. If Jesus is not God, he caused a whole lot of people to change their lifestyles in hope of eternal life for absolutely nothing. He also caused many people to worship a false god if in fact he is not God.

One thing I do not understand. Why haven't I gotten a knock on my door from a Jew who is trying to convince people that Jesus was not their Messiah and definately not God. Aren't they supposed to love their neighbors too? We can see from biblical history what happened to the Jewish people when they broke their first commandment which is: Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (KJV)

This should give you something to think about and I'm sure I'll get a lot of feedback from this.

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Prove It!

by Chap in

as far as i know, most people believe there was nothing, then it happened, then there was something, which still exists today.

is what most people believe possible?

is the truth able to be determined logically?

Chap

Abaddon:

I haven't picked up a Physics textbook since high school. But from what I remember, solid objects are not really solid but the atoms that make up a solid are in constant motion. That isn't the point of what I am saying in this thread. If you read my first post, I do not say that God came from nothing. God, to which I refer to as "It is" (which is the third person of "I am" in the Bible) always has existed, exists now, and always will exist.

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (KJV)

Farkel, I will deal with your comments a little later but I first want to add another bit of confusion since you say I am purposely trying to confuse people. (We all know there is no authority higher than Farkel)

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Evolution or Creation??

by dottie in

well i know i may be opening a can of worms here.... but after what we were taught in the wts about creation...and now that you may know more about evolution... which do you think you'd choose to believe more??.

myself...i am leaning towards evolution...but then i read things that make me think otherwise.

so i do find it confusing sometimes .

Chap

Rem:

I started a new topic called "Prove It!" The link is in my next to last post in this thread. (5 or 6 posts back) I basically assert the same thing crownboy ridicules here. My point is that a first cause would violate physical laws unless the first cause always existed (always exists) and contains all physical laws. The supposition that an always existing God is powerless to do anything by the mere fact that he always exists is an interesting concept though. I wouldn't argue it with God.