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Love your neighbor MORE than yourself???!! Is that possible?

by Fisherman in

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no doubt in my mind that jesus loved people more than himself.

got him killed.

is it posible for people to live their lives doing that?

Chap

the dreamer dreaming wrote:

"Jesus said you must love your neighbor as yourself, but also said unless you hate yourself you cannot be his disciple-- so basically to love your neighbor means to hate him (^_^)

Luk 14:26

If any [man] come to me, and ***HATE*** not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

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Attn: JW's and Bible Students - Lets Discuss John 1:1

by lovelylil in

this verse came up on the thread about whether or not jesus is michael the archangel.

i wanted to discuss it in further detail on a new thread because i think raised on the other thread was an important point about how jw's and bs translate john 1:1.

1in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god.. as we know the nwt adds an "a" to say "and the word was (a) god, when there is no support for this in the ancient greek manuscripts.

Chap

"John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 20:24-29 (KJV) But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. [25] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. [26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. [27] Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." I do not understand Greek so my observations/questions comes from reading other parts of English translations. I see that John 1:14 refers to (the Word) becoming flesh as Jesus. Is the word (properly translated) "a god" in 1:1 the same word "God" that Thomas believes in in verse 14:28? If it is, hasn't Thomas broken the first commandment?

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Chap

John 1 should be taken literally because that is clearly how it is stated. The passages in Exodus are similes.

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Chap

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Chap

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:22 (KJV)
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 11:5-7 (KJV)
And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. [6] And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. [7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

I understand that in the original language, the word for Lord in these verses has a singular-plural meaning. If this is translated correctly, there would be room for a "God-Man" in a Jew's way of thinking if he was following the law and was thinking about what it meant while worshipping God. The New American Standard Version capitalizes: "Us" in these verses and "Our" in Genesis 1:26. I do not put much stock in the NWT but am curious as to how it reads in these verses.

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Chap

Didn't mean to scrunch this post. I reposted with a different format.

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why is it the more "facts" I question, the more "opinions" I discover?

by DavidChristopher in

i have been seeing this more and more.

has anyone else?

Chap

I don't know if this is what you are getting at but it seems that facts and opinions are becoming more synonomis (sp?) as people care less and less about the truth and more and more about elevating their opinions to reach their goals.

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Can God exist outside of time

by setfreefinally in

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some say god exists outside of time and space therefore he can predict the future.. any comments?

Chap

If God is omnipresent as is alluded to in the Bible, he exists at every place at every time. If this is true, God does not have to exist outside of time. If a time is viewed like a place and vice-versa, and there is infinity, there is no such thing is outside of time. Time is then part of infinity just like place is. If God is infinite, can he exist outside of himself?

I think this view allows for both predestination and free will. Since God is everywhere, he is in the future as well as the past. If this is correct, God does not see things in the future as we do. Everything in our time-space would be either in the present or in the past in God's view.

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Is the baby being thrown out with the bath water?

by Chap in

if god spoke to a man and told him to write down what he said, how are we to distinguish this writing from other people who say god spoke to them?

we know the human beings can lie about anything for any reason.

if a writing supposedly contains prophesy, some say it wasn't prophesy and was written after the fact.

Chap

Let me clear something up.

I think the original question was something to the effect of "why out of all the demigods and miracle workers did I pick Jesus Christ to be the truth?"

My answer was to ask the question, "who else claimed to be God, the creator of all things?"

Abaddon: I probably could have phrased the question better as I was responding to funkyderek's question. The people I was referring to are the likes of Buhda, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Jim Jones, etc. Yeah there are lots of people who claim to be God and usually, they end up in psychiatric wards unless they are in power. (Saddam Hussein, for instance?)

The reason why I named the above people is because I knew they did not claim to be God but some had a huge following. I'm not sure if David Koresh said he was God or not and I couldn't think of his name when I wrote the above statement. The second sentence was of a different thought.

Or they end up being executed as blasphemers, and myths and legends grow around them until eventually lots of people believe they were god. and use their own belief as a bizarre sort of circular proof that they are right.

funkyderek: The ruling Jewish authorities didn't bother to judge Jesus by the Mosaic Law because they loved their positions and didn't care if Jesus was their Messiah. By their interpretation of scripture, the Messiah was supposed to overcome the Roman government so Israel would rule. Pilate wanted to set Jesus free but succumbed to mob rule. By putting Jesus to death, the following prophesy was fulfilled. Isaiah was written before Christ as the dead sea scroll finding proves.

Isaiah 52:13-53:12
Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. [14] As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: [15] So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
[53:1] Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? [2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. [7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. [8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. [9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
[10] Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. [12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus rose from the dead. All the Pharisees or the Romans had to do was produce the body and Christianity would have been stopped in its tracks.

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Did Jesus meet them in Galilee? Contradiction

by peacefulpete in

library: magazines: the skeptical review: 1992: number one: did they tarry in the city?

if one were to ask a christian versed in the scriptures if the disciples of jesus met him in galilee after his resurrection, the answer would surely be, "yes, they did.

" after all, matthew, writing about postresurrection events, clearly said, "but the eleven disciples went into galilee, unto the mountain where jesus had appointed them.

Chap

peacefulpete,

I apologize for the last post I made on this thread. I see your point after looking over the text that there was no time lapse between verses 43 and 44.