I suppose it is worth sitting through the whole thing if it makes your family happy. I hate to see them look so down. I didn't go for all of the district convention this year, but I went for one day just to make them happy. Many of you will disagree with this, but for the time being, I don't know any other way.
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21Why Do Inactive Ones Regularly Go To Assemblies?
by minimus ini never could understand why people that never go to meetings, suddenly show up at circuit assemblies or district conventions.
what do you think??
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The Next Teaching to Fall
by Blueblades inwhile many have had their hopes dashed concerning the change on this "generation " teaching, there is yet another teaching yet to fall very soon.it must and will fall because it connected to the generation doctrine that has already been changed.. the teaching that could shortly cause the governing body a serious problem and could bring about a major change for the vast majority of the rank and file is "the great tribulation".while this teaching has been put off to the " indefinite future"the gb.continues to have a serious problem with it.if the great tribulation fails to occur reasonably soon,the doctrine concerning the earthly hope for the vast majority of jw's.will have proven to have been false.the' great crowd' are those who will have come out of the great tribulation.according to the society those persons began to be identified as present as early as 1932.so the youngest members are now in their 70's or 80's.. again, the time-line is running out!
and has the potential of adversely affecting hundreds of thousands of other witnesses in the not to distant future,as time passes without the fulfilment of their hopes for a new heavens and a new earth.. also, some time ago,there was a watchtower study article, i don't remember which one it was .it spiritualized, armageddon!
psalm 91,especially verse 7.it said that a thousand will fall at your very side and ten thousand at your right hand,applies to those leaving the org.
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I get angry when I think about the 1914 teaching. When I first started studying, approx 14 years ago, it was the be-all and end-all - my study conductor went over it again and again and I felt quite excited by this teaching. I thought I had finally found something that was a real gem. I told all my family and I was so happy because I thought Armageddon would come any time now and my mother would not have to grow any older or more feeble and she would hopefully still be around and see the prophecy fulfilled etc. Now, I see her growing older and she can hardle walk or see any more and she asks me when the system will end - she really believes it. I feel responsible for feeding her this garbage in the first place. I don't know what to say to her - I tell her God has it all in hand. She wants to see my little Claire (my daughter) as much as I do and I tell her just to be patient and wait - it will come. I really don't know what to say any more because I shouldn't have raised her hopes.
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Bible is God's word?
by Moxy inid like to hear some *reasoned* explanations for why you believe the bible is gods word.
ive been so fascinated by the study of *real* biblical scholarship since i began educating myself, i now find it incredulous that i used to take the bible as divine, along with all jws and tons of christians, including a good number here.
so id like to entertain your very best lines of evidence that this is the real deal.. mox
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Can I just ask those that don't believe the Bible to be God's word, do you believe in God? If so, do you think he would have tried to communicate with us? I have been looking into an awful lot of stuff lately, most of it things I used to take for granted. I am unhappy with some parts of the Bible, for instance, we shouldn't kill, yet God slaughtered people???? Why would he contradict himself? Also, you should have only one wife or husband, yet loads of bods had more than one - Solomon and David had hundreds, incest is wrong (Lot??) etc. However, I do feel there is something about the Bible that is special, maybe because that's the way I have been taught since childhood. Does anyone think that God has communicated with us through a means other than the Bible? I often think of those that died for translating it or just for having a copy in their possession - that makes me think it must be a special book in some way - maybe I'm wrong. I know someone mentioned on this forum that a lot of what I do is to make myself feel comfortable because I do things that I am familiar with and that make me feel safe - it could be that way with my belief in the Bible. I am just starting to really study it for the first time in my life but it is very difficult to understand. That bothers me - why did God make it impossible to understand if it is supposed to be a letter from him to us? I'll stop rambling now.
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Will the guilt pass?
by rebel in"and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".
i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.
my family went and i stayed behind.
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Thank you everyone for your kind words. I can't really see to type at the moment because I am crying. I spend a lot of time crying lately, when noone is around, because I feel so bad. But I know I am doing the right thing. I thank God that I found this forum and I thank God for Simon for making it possible and for all of you for being there.
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Some will go back
by JH ini would like to know how many people here are thinking of going back to the hall if the elders go and visit them.
we had stories of people telling the elders that they had enough and wanted to get out.
on the other hand, i am sure a few will go back, but we will not hear their stories as much because they fear the reaction of this board.
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I'm with StinkyPantz on this - I would carry on going to keep up communication with family. I don't want to be DAd or DFd, although I am not sure what the elders have up their sleeves. I don't discourage others from going - I just don't want to go myself. I will go now and again just so I can keep my family happy, although eventually I will stop for good. A bit like some have mentioned - just fade away. I hate going and it makes me sick. I also get sick when I don't go (yes - I am really weird and mixed up!)
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Will the guilt pass?
by rebel in"and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".
i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.
my family went and i stayed behind.
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Thanks all,
Your remarks helped a lot. Once I get over these panicky feelings when I don't go, I know I'll feel a lot better. When I don't go to the KH (and this has been going on for a long time) my heart pounds and I end up feeling sick. I know it is hard to break free from a group like this. And jurs, I totally agree - the KH is devoid of love and fine works - at least the one I go to is. There are the odd few that are genuine, but they are far outweighed by the holier-than-thou set. I'll just give it time.
Thanks everyone.
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Will the guilt pass?
by rebel in"and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".
i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.
my family went and i stayed behind.
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jst2laws & A Paduan,
Thank you for your kindness. I have had doubts for a long, long time, but was never brave enough to confront them before. I am so thankful for this forum.
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Will the guilt pass?
by rebel in"and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".
i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.
my family went and i stayed behind.
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Thanks back2dafront & Sentinel - your comments helped.
I find it hard to relax - constant butterflies in my stomach etc. I know I need to be patient and give everyone else time to get used to the 'new' me. I just hate to hurt people that I love. I know they have to make their own lives and so do I, but I just wish this panicky feeling would go. I know that there are many thngs I have been taught over the past 12 years or so that have helped me, so it is such a shame that it should be spoilt by dictatorial morons who seem to take pleasure in other people's misery. I will miss going to the KH and I will miss my friends, but at least it will give me a chance to know who my true friends are. I am expecting many to shun me out of fear once it becomes common knowledge that I am no longer attending meetings, but I am preparing myself for that. I just don't know why I panic when my family go to meetings without me. This real fear grips me - I don't know where it's coming from. I suppose I need to take things slowly and things will settle eventually.
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Will the guilt pass?
by rebel in"and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".
i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.
my family went and i stayed behind.
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"And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom....."
I didn't go to the meeting today (again) and I felt dreadful. My family went and I stayed behind. When they had gone, I broke down in tears - I felt so bad.
Then I started thinking - why do I feel so guilty about not going? I have some good friends who are JWs and they hate it when I don't go. They ring me up and plead with me. They don't like it when I am not there. Then there's my family - they hate it when I stay behind. I feel so bad because I think I am letting everyone down. I almost went today, but I just couldn't. The thought of it just made me so depressed, but I hate the fact that I am making so many people feel bad too by not being there. Then I kept thinking about the above scripture in Hebrews and I felt even worse. How long does it take for the pain to go? I can't have a breakdown every time my family go to the KH without me. Then I started thinking, maybe I could just go and be there in mind but not body. But some people have said and done such hurtful things (mainly 2 particular elders), when I see them I get angry, so it is best I stay behind. I also feel a hypocrite when I attend meetings because I don't accept half of what they teach. I feel in such a tizzy.
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Who believes in Ghosts?
by El Kabong ini watched a movie on tv the other night called "the others" with nicole kidman.
it got me thinking about ghosts.
of course, my jw thinking automatically kicks in and tells me that its.........come on, you all know the answer.......demons.
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Some of you have had some really creepy experiences. I am glad it wasn't me - I don't know how I would react to such a thing - I'd probably have heart failure.
dmouse - that's such an interesting theory. I had never thought of that - we know the earth has a magnetic belt and, as you say, it is a giant magnetic and electrical system. It could work like some sort of giant video recorder. But why is it only some people see things and others don't? Are some people more susceptible to it?