Hello valkyrie. This is my sister's account. she told me about the site and when i signed up i apparently have to wait for a while until they approved my account, so i am using hers. Sorry for the confusion.
wafflesandpancakes
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trying to convince my wife not to confess...
by wafflesandpancakes induring our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there.
it's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation".
i tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia.
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trying to convince my wife not to confess...
by wafflesandpancakes induring our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there.
it's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation".
i tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia.
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trying to convince my wife not to confess...
by wafflesandpancakes induring our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there.
it's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation".
i tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia.
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wafflesandpancakes
Thanks hortensia! That's what i believe too.
but i wrote this post because i am curious about what i read in that elders letter. Anyone can help? -
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trying to convince my wife not to confess...
by wafflesandpancakes induring our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there.
it's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation".
i tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia.
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wafflesandpancakes
during our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there. It's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation". I tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia. Well i am fading and shes still in, so thats probably why i'm not guilt ridden.
All the articles the gb provide seem to say that other that oral, anal, and vaginal penetration, masturbating another person is what can be classified ad porneia.
Again, my wife came up with some creative questions i cannot really answer so i tried to find sources on this from their own governing body but now i am confused.
Below is the excerpt from a letter to elders.
WT says “Immoral use of” is not just touching but operating, manipulating, or employing something. To touch a musical instrument differs from making “use of” it. “Lewd intent” identifies motive. A doctor may manipulate genitals for examining . A vet, farmer, rancher may touch animals without sexual intent. “Manipulation” is operating something by hands or otherwise, doesn’t require skin-to-skin contact.
Momentarily touching another’s genitals, even if intentional, would generally not be considered porneia.
My question is, what does it mean a doctor may need to manipulate a patient's genital? after reading this i am not sure i understand english well.
Also, what is making use of a musical instrument? let say i hit two notes of a piano, am i making use of it? Isnt a musical instrument supposedly used to make music?
thanks!!
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your courtship/engagement...
by wafflesandpancakes inhow chaste was it?.
if you engaged in minconducts, how far did you go?.
did anyone find out?
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wafflesandpancakes
@scully -- sorry but the reason i asked is because i read some posts here about moral scandals in jws and i was shocked, they always seemed prudish, at least the ones i know of. and by misconduct i didn't mean only premarital sex. so "overly familiar interest in pre-marital sex"? i think that's a tad too specific now doesn't it? again, sorry if my question is too much for you. just don't answer if you don't want too. thanks!
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your courtship/engagement...
by wafflesandpancakes inhow chaste was it?.
if you engaged in minconducts, how far did you go?.
did anyone find out?
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wafflesandpancakes
how chaste was it?
if you engaged in minconducts, how far did you go?
did anyone find out? if elders found out, what did they do?
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Premarital sex--how prevalent?
by wafflesandpancakes inin my old congregation, everyone seems clean.
mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.. well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton.
when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted.
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wafflesandpancakes
one friend of mine touch her bf's dong and he touches her coochie. elders treated it as pornea although they said they did not masturbate each other. then in 2006 the boe letter abt pornea was sent, and big mouthed elder told the now husband abt it, he left the borg
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Premarital sex--how prevalent?
by wafflesandpancakes inin my old congregation, everyone seems clean.
mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.. well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton.
when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted.
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wafflesandpancakes
in my old congregation, everyone seems clean. mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.
well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton. when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted. a year later tho, another couple fessed up.
are they really livin up to their puritan standard or are they hiding stuffs and being hypocrites? what about you and your old congregation?