So FeebleMindedDude shows up again with the same mantra. I will copy and paste it for him the next time. Abe, just pm me and I will do all the work for you.
Posts by DJS
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144Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.
by cofty inthe unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple
by KateWild ini was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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greta's dad,
Justice was served. And they had a really bad lawyer. WTF do you expect? Britain, like the US, is a constitutional democracy/monarchy.
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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple
by KateWild ini was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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Homey,
"Sex life"? Does that include heteros? WTF? Please, kind sir, come into the 21st Century. I know it seems scary, but it is wonderful. You are making our case much better than we could. You clearly have a lot of hatred towards gays. Look inside yourself and try to figure out why. For me it was like flipping a switch. As I've noted before on this site, I looked at my 2 beautiful amazing children when they were about 10 and 12, and I was an elder at the time, and thought to myself there is no fukkking chance I am going to DF them from my life if either or both is gay. None. Nada. Wasn't going to happen. Ever. From that day forward I couldn't care less.
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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple
by KateWild ini was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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Wow,
Some posters are being tormented, followed around actually, by the LGBT community. I feel so left out. They never bother me. I don't even know who these people are. Is it me or is it them? Why am I not important enough to be harrassed by them??? My ex GF was bi. Maybe that's why.
Seriously, I don't know what to do with these comments, but thanks to those of you who post such drivel because you are doing much more for the lurkers and viewers of this OP with your very strange posts than I ever could. This is a simple matter. Follow along. The SCOTUS and other national courts have determined that it is against their respective constitutions to discriminate against, among others, the LGBT community in the areas we have discussed on this OP and others. They have it right. Haters are in the minority and are shrinking in numbers every day. Cloaking your hatred behind ridiculous rationale and straw man arguments fools no one. It is hate.
Practice your religion in your church and home. If you take it into the subsidized, regulated, constitutionally protected arenas of life, your religion has its limits. As it should.
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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple
by KateWild ini was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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Kate,
The ones who don't are called Neanderthals, Dead Men Walking, Angry Old White Men, T-Rexes Soon to Be Extinct. Thankfully. And these OPs always get the requisite rant from an AOWM (Angry Old White Man) complaining about the REAL problem, which is (in their narrow twisted homophobic hate filled minds) the LGBT activists. It nauseates me. They don't seem capable of putting the activists in historical context. But I suppose the same AOWM were irritated about the women's suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, and any other movement that didn't look white, male and in control of everything.
The only reason there is a tip of the spear activist group amongst the LGBT community is because it is necessary. When it isn't they won't be around.. Hate cloaked behind such ridiculous rationale is stil hate. By far the easiest thing for the haters to do would be to stop hating. But the SCOTUS, the POTUS, your company, manager, etc. can't change your hearts. But they can damn sure do something about your behavior.
So haters. Get some therapy. Or deal with it. Or both. You all were once in the majority, but even then the SCOTUS and other courts around the globe did the right thing in securing the freedom and rights granted under the various constitutions. In almost all Western countries and much of the rest of the developed world you are now squarely in the minority. Rant on AOWM. Rant on. Fewer are listening, but you still have some friends on FoxNews. For now.
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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple
by KateWild ini was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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DJS
From the 1950s:
“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”
– Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959
From 2014:
"The U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal Monday from a studio that refused to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony, letting stand a New Mexico high court ruling that helped spur a national debate over gay rights and religious freedom.
The justices left in place a unanimous state Supreme Court ruling last year that said Elane Photography violated New Mexico's Human Rights Act by refusing to photograph the same-sex ceremony "in the same way as if it had refused to photograph a wedding between people of different races."
We had a similar discussion a few months ago on this topic. I posted a summary of a business' rights and desires and those of the US and similar democracies. Look it up. Those of you thinking that these types of discriminatory practices have any place or those conducting such practices any rights in constituional democracies such as the US and Brtain don't understand how these things work. And that includes the parrotheads on Fox News.
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What's the difference between exJWs who FLOURISH and those that don't?
by Fernando inquite a few here on jwn seem to have grown and developed in leaps and bounds, sometimes beyond their wildest dreams.. others seem to still be struggling.. what do you think makes it possible to flourish?.
the degree to which our mind has been liberated from watchtower thinking?.
if so, this seems to happen in many different ways, so what is the secret?.
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DJS
Fernando, I like this OP. I'm interested to see where it goes. I don't know if there are any secrets, and like most complicated issues there are likely a variety of reasons and causes. But as it is with most things there are likely a few things which show up routinely in the more successful, the happiest, etc.
So I will prime the pump. Many studies suggest there is a strong correlation between the happiest - and most functional economically and socially- countries in the world and the least religious countries in the world. The same correlation exists between the happiest and most functional and the least religious states. Many studies suggest there is a strong correlation between IQ and religion; the 'smartest' countries in the world tend to be the least religious.
So whether the measuring stick is happiness or success, maximizing one's brain power and energy towards achievable, realistic life goals seems to be a primary component. It isn't my goal to turn your OP into yet another us against them, theist/atheist OP, but the data seems clear, especially in the developed world.
As for me, I'm one of those on this site who has to pinch themselves from time to time to remind myself of all the things I have experienced and accomplished since exiting the Borg. None of those things would have occurred if I had kept my brain and energy wrapped up in a religious belief system. You can google the tenets for success. A focused mindset with vision and creativity and positive energy are near the top of all of the lists. When we were in the Borg, our focus and energy were on a fairy tale paradise. IMHO too many are still meandering around attempting to replace the fairy tale with yet another.
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Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.
by cofty inthe unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
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Well stated DisArmed,
I have that kind of faith in my friends and children. I would give my life for my best friend, without hesitation, and I think he knows that. But faith in something imaginary, make believe, irrational, that has done nothing but trap me for most of my youth??? Never again.
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Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.
by cofty inthe unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
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Cofty,
Ditto about exposing one's self to the very best arguments for and against personal beliefs. Anyone who has obtained a master's degree has likely completed a thesis or major research paper that requires something called a review of the literature. A PhD typically requires it. And by a review of the literature it isn't talking about Harry Potter or Wikipedia; it is a requirement that the student closely evaluate all of the academic 'evidence' that exists on the question or hyothesis they are trying to answer or address. This should include all of the data, not just that which supports the student's premise. I've referred to it previously as a 360 degree analysis of a subject.
That is the only way someone will truly learn a subject, and it certainly is the only way someone can learn it well enough to teach it to others at the college level (you may get away with it in high school or grade school). But it requires an open mind and a true desire to find the truth, or as much as possible, about a topic. Dubs and ex-Dubs, from what I can see from being on this site for about a year, don't seem to understand that. The same mind-set that trapped them in the Borg seems to follow them along in life. Or leads them rather. Snare and Oubilette, who I understand is a science teacher, know this well. It also takes humility, as you often find that cherished 'beliefs' fall by the wayside when the stark cold facts of a matter are revealed.
All of us should have been humbled by our Borg experience. What we thought with all of our minds and hearts turned out to be pure rubbish. It's a shame we don't see more humility and desire to truly learn something on this site.
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The Rants of a Dumbass Elder Still Serving
by TTATTelder inok in the effort of full disclosure, i have had a couple of drinks and recently experienced a circuit assembly and a bad experience with a co.. i don't know where to effing begin.
first of all the circuit assembly was a joke.
half the assembly was about pioneering and selling your soul to be a no-pay salesman for the borg.
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TTATT,
You describe what I was going through my last year or so in the Borg when I was sick of it, serving as an elder but did not realize it was a cult and was anything but the truth. I couldn't hide my disgust for it, and I don't see how you can either. My hat is off to you. Good luck keeping it all inside without exploding or harming your health.