No they wouldn't. Gays and lesbians would still want families. If they were in charge they would make the necessary changes, rules, laws, etc. Human beings are much much more flexible than that. I can imagine they would provide cash incentivies to straight couples to have as many children as possible and pay surrogates handsomely. Think outside the box. Having children and families is not isoalted to hereros. And once our society accepts people for who they are you are likely to see gas and lesbians acting a helluva lot more like heteros in lots and lots of ways. Including having children and families. There has been a number of articial barriers in their way to permit this. Called laws. Or perceptions. Once those two things go away life won't be much different other than most children under that scenairio would be 'wanted' and 'planned.' That might not be such a bad thing.
Posts by DJS
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Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority!
by Dis-Member inimagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
Probable cause can be based on nothing more than someone's statements and is open to conjecture. DAs only move forward, typically, on cases they think they can win. The Michael Jackson case is an excellent example. I believe brother Michael was gulity, but having seen the pathetic opportunist 'victim' and his family, the jury favored MJ. I think they beleived MJ was guilty as well, but the prosecution's witnesses were awful. Woody's case is so much more shallow, based on what I know (and I admittedly am not an expert but I doubt anyone else on this site is either ). If they thought they could have won the case they would have moved forward. An expert panel didn't think he did it.
I have empathy for Dylan. I don't know the truth. But, if what Woody Alllen said in his response is true, his credibility is higher. An expert panel beleived that a long time ago. He may be lying. I do not know. He may be a molester. I do not know. But Soon Yi and the girl on Piers Morgan, although raising some suspicion, are not 'proof' about anything. As I understand, both Soon Yi and the woman on Piers Morgan say very good things about Mr. Allen. But I know that those certified to administer lie detection analyses are held to a very high standard. If my memory serves me correctly (don't hold me to this because it has been a long time and I didn't spend the time reseraching), O.J.s lawyers also hired ther own polygrapher and O.J. failed.
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Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority!
by Dis-Member inimagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
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DJS
Badfish,
Lots of men have sex who never want children and take steps to never have children (vasectomies, condoms, etc.) Even more women have lots of sex and never have nor want children. Everyone wno procreates has a lot more sex than just for procreation. It's called fun. Pleasure. Think about it. If the planet was full, governments would have no other choice but to limit procreation. It's already happend in China and other places. There will likely reach a point on this planet where bringing children into the world will be tightly regulated for everyone and perhaps banned for a while. But people will still have sex.
And if procreation is the only reason you think people have sex, I guess, like the GB/FDS, you think only vaginal intercourse is 'appropriate.' (I effing hate that word). So no oral sex???? because that wouldn't be the primary purpose for procreation now would it? That's only about pleasure. I guess you would make a good member of the GB.
You have a lot to learn. Open and expand your mind. Try to stop thinking in the enclosed black and white world you have lived in for so long. And your smart ass response about admitting you were wrong just shows your ignorance. Try some humility. Learn something.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
He dated young adult women. That isn't illegal nor is it immoral. If it doesn't fit your sense of right and wrong so what? It isn't my cup of tea either but I don't give a rip. I am not aware that he did anything improper with Soon Yi before she was of age. If you are then turn him in. It works both ways. Young adult girls are also looking for father figures at times, as the woman referred to on Piers Morgan. So rich and entitled men want to date young adult women because they can? Duh. It also happens in the trailer park. None of that has anything to do with child molestation. And BOTR, you state Soon Yi is 'proof' he would victimize a child? Proof? Really? Proof? No one else saw it as 'proof.' You want to reword that and re-submit. Proof? Really? I wouldn't want you on any jury I was subjet to nor making any important decisions about the planet. Im really not surprised by the judgmental statements on this topic. I've found ex-JWs to continue to be some of the most judgmental, closed minded, unsophisticated people I know. Disappointing.
Lots of very powerful people tried to bury Woody Allen on these matters. Nothing stuck. Thank goodness rational fair minded people required something more before burying him. The facts. Something most on this forum don't care about. Just thier feellings, beliefs and pre-conceived and pre-form biases and judgments.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
I don't blame Woody. If a professional adminstered the test, it wouldn't matter who paid for it. I think Woody did the right thing. But it does add to the intrigue.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
That an 'older man' would fall in lust/love with a younger woman is, well, DUH. That he would consider this with Mia's adopted daughter is to me problematic and reveals something about his personality. If she was 19 she was an adult. I understand what you mean by sophistication, but Soon Yi was probably more advanced than other girls her age. Like it or not, it isn't illegal nor immoral. If it isn't my/your cup of tea, so be it. I couldn't care less.
None of that is compelling evidence for or against molesting a 7 year old child. None of it. He willingly took a lie detector test? I find that freaking amazing. Considering the cirumtances and what I know about this topic (which is a lot), I wouldn't have taken it if I was the most innocent person in the world. Although quite accurate, they are not fool proof. Mia Farrow wouldn't? I find that revealing.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
First of all let me say that child abuse/molestation/rape is horrendous and should be punished accordingly. I am a father of two children and built a wall of protection around them from the time each was born. Second, lots of rape/molestations charges and accusations are false; do the research. Can you imagine the potential harm to someone who was accused falsey?
I read Mr. Allen's response; assuming it is all true it is compelling. It has much more the ring of truth than Dylan Farrow's. If he willingly took a lie detector test and passed and if Ms. Farow refused to take one. Such tests aren't admiisable in such court cases, so he could have easily hid behind the law. That he did not speaks volumes. Volumes. As noted, I don't know if all he says is true but if it is there is a reason the DA didn't prosecute and his Hollywood friends support him.
Blondie, I usually agree with you but not this time. Dylan Farrow, and Mia by extension, are taking aggressive (and if the claims are false, evil) steps to ruin his reputation and his career if they can. Regardless of whether he married Soon Yi, that has no bearing as to whether he is a child molester. Some of you make the llink/jump. I kind of understand it, but such comments should be qualified. Rushing to judge Mr. Allen, especially without understanding the full story, is unacceptable.
Assuming what Mr. Allen states is all true, Dylan Farrow is sick and needs help. Or evil. We will likely never know, but judgmental comments towards either party should be avoided and any comments should be qualified.
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Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority!
by Dis-Member inimagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
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DJS
Badfish,
You either haven't read many previous posts to refute your premise or you have and simply don't have the ability to think. Many gay and lesbian couples NOW want children. Many have children. One more time and try to follow along: If the majority of the population was gay/lesbian, the desire to have children and families would not die out. They would simply find a way to make it so. Have you ever heard of supply and demand? Surrogates would likely be available, both from the gay and straight community, and the process would likely be well regulated and the surrogates paid well. Kinda like now just formalized. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out, just someone with a funcitonal brain capable of thinking a bit beyond what mommy and daddy or the FDS told you.
The 'desire' to proreate is more a desire to copulate. By far the majority of hetero sexual encounters are based on pleasure and not procreation. That is a good thing, but it has also created a world where lots of unwanted, abused and neglected children are 'procrated.'
As to the rest of your comments, I view them as hate speech. Try to stop being a hate filled moron.
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Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority!
by Dis-Member inimagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
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DJS
Dis,
You really are a closed minded person. Good luck to you in the future. If you ever have a father, brother, close friend or son who is gay, perhaps then you may change your view. You couldn't be more wrong about whether gays and lesbians are born that way. And even if it was 100% choice, you still couldn't be more wrong. As if that would make any difference. It doesn't You are either young and inexperienced and arrogant or older, closed minded set in your ways, self rightous and arrogant. Either way you are judgmental. I hope life's experiences soften you and wise you.
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Was There ANYTHING The Watchtower Taught You That Benefited You?
by minimus inbesides learning how to speak publicly, has the watchtower given you any benefits?
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DJS
1. How to spot controlling groups, people, etc., especially with the language they (mis) use. But I would have probably figured this out anyway.
2. My best friend, who also exited years ago.
Otherwise, NOTHING. I regret ever being associated with that brain dead, hate-filled, mind control cult. It is the single biggest mistake and regret of my life.