if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.
i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?
if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.
Thank(s) Heaven,
Quote number 2 did it for me; I came to the same conclusion never having heard of Hitchens. I really don't see how anyone can believe in a god with this understanding. If she exists, she is an evil, uncaring monster. Kinda like my ex-wife.
my wife is pleasant and easy to get along with.
she is also helpful to many.
lately, however, there is a jw sister who some are curious about has befreinded my wife.
just to give you a bit of background, i've been researching my doubts for over a month, i'm convinced that although they may have some things right, they have a lot of other things horribly wrong.
i'm still clinging to a faith in god, because i see a creator's hand in nature, and i believe in jesus and his teachings, love, mercy, compassion.....that if everyone truly applied these (including jws) then all would benefit.. but i read this article in march and it's been on my mind ever since.
where isis stone a young couple to death for sex before marriage (a bit graphic).. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017800/sickening-images-blindfolded-bound-couple-brutally-stoned-death-fornication-isis-militants-iraq.html.
Torn,
ISIS is also throwing gay men off buildings. Fornication is a man-made concept. It was invented to control sexual urges at a time when emerging societies did not have the resources to deal with children without baby daddies and the like.
The entire concept of pornea/fornication is fabricated. As long as you hold onto that concept, you will judge gays, people living together, teens experimenting (which is called normal), etc. as deserving of death. Is that really what you want to believe and be known for? Really?
I would suggest losing the term fornication. It is meaningless; it is a loaded word with pejorative death dealing connotations that needs to be thrown onto the ash heap of the 12 Century. Why we still use that word in the 21st Century speaks poorly of us as a species.
over the years, i have seen a change in heart with the country i grew up in and the general view of what they perceive as how everyone should view things in relation to morality.
a strictly religious country for centuries now forever changed within a short number of years.
i have also seen the viewpoint on this site gradually change in many ways.
Xanthippe,
Very well stated. Thank you. It is likely that TE suffers from N. European DNA angry old white man syndrome (of course, the last time I made that evaluation it turned out to be a transgender Diana Ross impersonating African American, so my batting average isn't so good).
The world isn't completely run by old white guys like it used to be, and he just can't get over it. What people do with their private parts, as you suggested, is likely the only thing he can rail about when the real issue is that he has been designated as dead Tyrannosaurus Rex walking.
I'll bet TE was thrilled with the Irish gay marriage vote. If the SCOTUS approves gay marriage I'm sure he will be even happier. If it passes I will have a drink or two for TE.
over the years, i have seen a change in heart with the country i grew up in and the general view of what they perceive as how everyone should view things in relation to morality.
a strictly religious country for centuries now forever changed within a short number of years.
i have also seen the viewpoint on this site gradually change in many ways.
Let's see TE, and I hope you are watching, I don't consider this site either godly or ungodly (but since I don't believe in god and don't really care I guess my opinion doesn't matter) but if you really are gone, I consider that it has immediately become more intelligent.
And if you would only take your kind with you, you know, the slow moving zombie end-of-time jesus loving bible thumping high school graduates without the cognitive abilities displayed in WWZ or Legend (what IS up with that - they have ruined the genre. Bring back slow moving zombies. Are you listening Hollywood?) that will be our pets one day, the site would be a LOT smarter and better for our planet.
over the years, i have seen a change in heart with the country i grew up in and the general view of what they perceive as how everyone should view things in relation to morality.
a strictly religious country for centuries now forever changed within a short number of years.
i have also seen the viewpoint on this site gradually change in many ways.
TE,
Bye bye. And take Introvert with you.
in my area, a lot of the young jws, especially girls are getting breast implants, nose jobs, chin implants.
asian jws girls get eyelid surgery, and one girl even got her legs lengthen 5 inches making her about five feet nine inches tall the male jws are getting hair transplants and nose jobs.
and nobody in the congregation says a word, including elders.
Plastic surgery is no one's business but the person getting it, and perhaps a mate or parent if they are paying for it. So that makes it surprising the Dark Lords haven't written one of those near, semi, kinda sorta rules about it in one of their study articles. They stick their noses into a lot of things that are none of their business. It also isn't any business of the rank and file, but they've been trained like Pavlov's dog by the Dark Lords to judge others.
I know lots of people who have had plastic surgery of various kinds, and every one of them is satisfied and feels better about themselves for it. I have stories.
in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.
this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.
today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.
Wozza,
I'm trying to ignore this OP, but your comments resulted in a disturbance in the force. You aren't a newbie; have you not been reading ANYTHING posted on this site the past couple of years? If you were, you would not have posted the following: "I wonder what this will do to peoples consciences ,no god, so no higher authority apart from mankind. Well people could really do what they can get away with now knowing there is no all seeing god and therefore no consequences'"
We have provided empirical evidence on numerous occasions that what you suggest is exactly opposite from what is occurring. The more secular and atheistic an individual, state, region or country is the more likely it is to be functional and ethical. Until the human species evolves away from religion and a belief in god and begins to start doing the right things for no other reasons than they are the right things we will never evolve. Religion and a belief in god are the problems, wozza, not the solution. Geesh, man (or girl), WTF? Download. Process.
#notsatire.
thanks to wifibandit and pixel for collaborating on this.
more to come.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxce4duetw8.
Thank(s) Heaven,
"I am getting the distinct impression that TOMO 3 is unhappy in his current sexual persuasion."
There, I fixed that for you.
prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.
above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..
thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..
millie210,
There may be some truth to what you say, but you could replace atheist with x-tian and your comment would be just as relevant. I believe those coming from theism are much more sensitive to comments than those well past theism. You always show yourself to be an empath, a kinder and gentler poster than normal. I'm glad. You play good cop. Some mean ole atheists will play bad cop.
I try to be kind and avoid theist posts. I abhor being preached at, and the newly self appointed GB who routinely arrive on this site to wow and amaze us with their scriptural knowledge AND their prophetic insight makes me want to vomit, as do the many who regularly show up to preach jesus. They get exactly what they deserve, IMHO. But in as much of a nice manner as possible.
Jesus, that is much more of an affront than the atheists on this site who sometimes aggressively require facts and empirical evidence for almost all OPs and won't let anyone get away with what we believe to be silly superstitions, and death cult beliefs related to the bible and the end-of-times. Geesh. Enough.
