as larc's thread has mutated into the tired old nurture vs nature debate i thought i'd give a response to his question, which was how do you reconcile the bibles attittude to homosexuality and the living breathing reality of human beings.
i was at a recent screening of trembling before g-d, a documentary on homosexuals in the orthodox community who want to be practising homosexuals and still be accepted as part of the orthodox faith.
(my opinion is that they're wanting to have their cake and eat it but i was interested in the reasoning).
Yes and you really should be used to it by now rocketman, even if your not you will be by the time I'm finished
Without looking like I'm stealing the subject of this thread I have noticed you comment simalar on most of the "homosexual" threads, if they don't interest you surely your simple wasting you time posting.
monk3y
as larc's thread has mutated into the tired old nurture vs nature debate i thought i'd give a response to his question, which was how do you reconcile the bibles attittude to homosexuality and the living breathing reality of human beings.
i was at a recent screening of trembling before g-d, a documentary on homosexuals in the orthodox community who want to be practising homosexuals and still be accepted as part of the orthodox faith.
(my opinion is that they're wanting to have their cake and eat it but i was interested in the reasoning).
StarScream : The word "fact" means that it is proven, knowlege that is aquired from an accurate source. The fact is that most of your information that you have posted as factual is completely incorrect. Im sorry if you think this is a personal attack on you but it is just simply showing you that you need to do ALOT more unbiased research on the topic of being "gay" / "bi" before you come to a properly informed stand on what is actual fact and what is unbrideled speculation.
scotsman : Religion + Gay = Unsually doesnt grab my interest but I read your post anyway and it got me to thinking about religion in general.
I was at a recent screening of Trembling Before G-d, a documentary on homosexuals in the Orthodox community who want to be practising homosexuals and still be accepted as part of the Orthodox faith. (My opinion is that they're wanting to have their cake and eat it but I was interested in the reasoning).
I think the princable of having cake and wanting to eat it to is human nature. I thought back to what religion used to be about and what it is today and one could be fooled into beleiving that religion in general has become all to easy. I don't actually think religion is as static as most people perceive it, changes are made, beliefs are remolded .. time changes things, sometimes for the better and other times for the worse. When it all comes down to basics though I think that one day "homosexuality" will become quite widely accepted within most religions. Understanding of the different religions bibles and books of prophecy will change and no doubt they will stretch futher and futher away from most of the bibles teachings.
In my opinion the bible is just a book, there is alot of good intention in there, there is also alot of good advice but on the other hand the is alot of dictation in there, alot of power hungry forceful oppinionated people had influence on bibble writting.
I personally beleive in the Religion of the Heart. I think we are all born with the knowledge that we need, we all know that killing and such is wrong, we all know that cheating on our partner is wrong and that stealing is wrong etc. I don't think we need organised religion to lead us by the hand and tell us what to do. But of course there are quite alot of people out there that need exactly that.
Organised religion only has it's power over you when and if you give in to it, by surrendering your will and freedom of opinion and need for full self expression you have nothing else left but faith that you are being led in the right direction.
monk3y
in light of the recent threads on homosexuality, if you were gay would you let anyone on this site know?
would you feel supported as a gay exjw or would you feel ridiculed?
would you feel safe here?
WOW! Theres a few people here that I didnt realise were gay and there are many many supporters, it's really, really good to see.
monk3y
in light of the recent threads on homosexuality, if you were gay would you let anyone on this site know?
would you feel supported as a gay exjw or would you feel ridiculed?
would you feel safe here?
I feel there are people here with alot of double standards to be honest, thank god there are also alot of people on this forum that has alot of common sence.
Would you feel okay about talking about your lover or partner, since everyone else talks about their spouse? Or would you feel that would be perceived as "flaunting your lifestyle?"
since I started posting I do feel this way, I feel thats what Im perceived as doing "flaunting my lifestyle" But what would I talk about if I didnt talk about what involves me directly ?
Considering what the JWs put gay people through, would you feel that this site is accepting? tolerant? judgmental?
I feel there is still a strong JW mindset with some people involving peoples sexuality.
Would you feel safe here? Or would you feel that revealing your sexual orientation would make you subject to attack.
If someone was attacked because of their sexual orientation I would not only defend that person but I would demand that Simon or another moderater does somthing about it imediately. Nobody should feel fearful on this forum.
monk3y
our niece, irene, who posts here as inky, sent me an email.
her 27 year old son is getting married in two weeks, and she posted a few days ago about how he didn't invite her to his wedding.. she told me i can post it as she doesn't want to read it again.. "dear mom.
i've needed to write this letter to you for some time now.
I have tears rolling down my cheeks Inky. *HUGS* I am greatly sorry for that hurtful religion and all that it stands for.
Josh
i haven't posted on here in ages, though i read the board quite often, but i thought the following was worth meantioning..... .
there was a show on sbs last night called "insight".
i didn't catch all of it, but it was about churches such as hillsong (www.hillsong.com) that, in their teachings, encourage their members to acquire wealth and financial success.
HAHHA I was thinking the same thing refiners
I would die if is didnt have a video recorder / dvd player, I would die.
monk3y
PS I cant beleive I wasted my 200th post by taking the piss outta prisca .. DAMN U FARKEL
i am just going to have to start keeping my front door closed.
today, i had it open, and there was no way to pretend i wasn't home when the two 'brothers' rang my door bell.
actually, they had been by last saturday, too, but the door was closed that day, and i didn't answer it.
You know I hate and love this post. I hate it because it reminds me of how much of a push over I can still be, while I was reading the 'new light' ideas and it came up to the islam part I thought .. hmmm that could work, that might be right .. only to read on further and see that now they think that not all ppl around the earth have to be reached with the 'good news' How disgusting of them, it would appear to me that they have nominated themselves pre-judges to the people before god supposedly steps in.
I guess it proves to me that no matter how far we come as people there will always be people that play on societies weaknesses.
Did/Has anyone who read this have a little voice inside them say "Oh my god, what if they have it right now ?"
monk3y
did i get your attention?
heeeeee hee heh!
me and the missus were rolling about on the floor with these, enjoy........
HAHAHAHA I was laughing when the man with the fish lips appeared, and then I realised there were actual funny things written under his picture, will this world never cease spinning ?
monk3y
many, many years ago lived an emperor, who thought so much.
of new clothes that he spent all his money in order to obtain.
emperor's clothes were more admired.. .
Heheh I loved it! It's funny you should bring up that book because guess what I have on my bedside table to start reading again tonight ?
Isn't it strange how you forget things .. I think I have read that book at least twice and still cant remember most of the story. Although I was about 8 at the time.
many, many years ago lived an emperor, who thought so much.
of new clothes that he spent all his money in order to obtain.
emperor's clothes were more admired.. .
Well seeming as I am still a big kid I simple love the Harry Potter series. But I have to tell you I have always LOVED magical stuff.
When I was little I used to love nearly all of Enid Blytons books especially 'The Faraway Tree' and 'The Wishing Chair' series.
monk3y
