eh?.
http://www.e-watchman.com/commentaries/feb_14_time_to_speak.html.
i didn't know if any of you read this, but i wonder what the hell he's up to?
I haven't kept up with e-watchmans rants. Early on he was directing his flock to not rock the boat and to show loyalty to the org. It didn't make sense to me how he could expose the failings of the WT but his readers were told to keep quiet.
This is indeed a huge shift in his tactics. Could the pressure be on him in his home turf? Has it gotten personal?
Has somebody rocked the boat too much and e-watchman is getting wet?
Loris
Live in peace and harmony with the universe.
Loris
now that you don't practice the religion, is it safe to say that you reject everything that you were taught??
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My beliefs in the separateness of the Father and Son, soul sleep, no hell fire were mine before I joined the dubs. It was the fact that they seemed to be the only ones teaching those things that got me hooked.
I, like Wednesday, would like to find a group that shares those beliefs without the high control issues. I have family that is Methodist. They frown on movies and dancing. More control.
Loris
msn has posted the cover of the latest issue of newsweek, with a cover story on mel gibson's new movie based on jesus' crucifixion.
the provocative headline: who really killed jesus.. without getting into that debate, i'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction:.
i have not read the article, but think it is a pretty safe bet that with all the religious experts they will quote in this article, there will not be one single reference to the wts or jw's.. just a couple of years ago, the same magazine (or was it time?
Willyloman, amazing insight.
Newsweek had an article about Ray Franz leaving the GB in the mid 80's and in mid 2002 they had a couple of paragraphs about the WT at the end of an article about sexual abuse in the Catholic church. The WT is a curiosity to the media nothing more. It is seen as just another goofy religion.
You're right, if they really were the great world recognized Bible experts that they proclaim they are, the media would be asking them the tough Bible questions.
Thanks for the thread.
Loris
one of the arguments i used to use while going from door to door was:.
if we would now live in the time of ancient israel and if we would want to adore god in the correct way then we would have to be part of the choosen people of israel.
adapt to its laws and customs, etc.
Thomas Paine wrote in his book The Age of Reason, "any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
I agree with that. How many stories in the OT revel in the murder of men, women and children in the name of God? The Israelites were to take the female children and focibly make wives of them, priestly sanctioned rape! The male children and infants of both sexes were murdered. What pray tell was their crime? Being born a Cainanite?
Then you have the Christian story of God the Father putting his son to death, or employing people to do it. That cannot be told by a parent to a child without a sorry explanation of it ; and to tell him that it was done to make mankind happier and better, is making the story still worse; as if mankind could be improved by the example of murder.
Look at the so-called childrens books printed by the WT. How shocking to a child are they?
Loris
No, my parents had been married for several years before I came along.
Actually I am 51% Sweetheart and 49% Bitch and proud of it.
Loris
reading simon's post about how things used to be i started thinking about how the internet has changed things.
many believe the internet and the freedom of information it contains will be the undoing of the wts.. when i was a jw, there were a few dfings but maybe one a year or even less.
people drifted away but we really didn't pay a lot of attention unless it was a close friend.. in here we see new people coming in all the time.
Loris
my good friend, colleague, fellow teacher and beer drinking buddy wayne myers died of cancer last week.
he died of chemo poisoning before the cancer could kill him.
he taught biology and was from kansas.
How about a tractor shaped topiary. They do some really funky stuff with wire and vines. Sort of like Disneyland/Disney World.
Loris
other than living a happy life, is there anything you've done to get back at them?
i never was a jw but did do some creative things to cause a stir in one of the local halls.
all of it was legal too.
I helped a reporter for the St Petersburg Times with background and research materials when she was writing a piece on shunning. I didn't get featured in the article because I wasn't officially shunned yet only under intense investigation. I don't mind doing that sort of thing because it may stop just one person from getting involved with them. The active dubs don't read the negative things anyway. It takes more than that to rock their boat. My boat had to be hit by a torpedo before I would investigate the dark side.
Loris
it's been a while since i've posted here.
nice to be back!!
i have a question....have any of you had this problem?........i ds'd myself about 6 years ago.
When I was DF'd many moons ago my children were shunned and spoken to rudely at the KH. My oldest son was 13 at the time. He refused to return to the meetings after he was insulted in the restroom at the KH. He is 39 now and that is the one thing he will bring up to anyone when the subject of the dubs comes up. It really affected him in a big way.
Loris
