Posts by logansrun

there are alot of new members here, and i just wanted to say that although most here don't believe that the wt is "god's organization" there are many such as myself (i have never been a jw) that believe that the bible is inspired scripture*.

loosing faith in a religious organization does not necessarily mean that you must also loose faith in god.

i have a personal relationship withn the god of the bible and can tell you that he is real and wonderful.

logansrun

mizpah,

Perhaps, it is because they have nothing to offer in its stead.

Let me throw out a completely hypothetical scenario to you. Let's say that Christianity is actually false. Now, I'm not asking for you to believe this or anything, but just think for a moment what it would be like. Now -- what are you supposed to put in it's place? If there is nothing to replace a false belief with, does that mean one should simply cling to the false belief and not say anything negative about it?

Again, this is purely hypothetical for you. But, just think about what that means.

Bradley

BTW -- I'm not a Christian and feel that there ARE other things to "replace it" with, although they may not be up to your or my liking.

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Working in the DC chairman's office....

by logansrun in

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let me go back about six years to the 1997 district convention.

i was an "up and coming" ms at the time (only 20 years old!

) and was asked by my po (a circuit "heavy") to be his assistant (read: gopher) in the chariman's office.

logansrun

Minimus,

Ah, so you know him. Actually, I kinda liked the guy. He was a phenomenal speaker for a JW (just pretty good if you're not). I do remember that about him. Still, I think the prestige got to his head. My sister and I had a running joke that there is no such thing as a nice and humble District Overseer. (This was very unusual for my sister to joke about).

No, really -- I believe it. I've met nice CO's, but I've never met a "nice" DO. The last one I had (Obrien) was a real @$&! imho.

Bradley

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JW's are like precious diamonds

by unbeliever in

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according to my mom anyway.

i went to pick up my nephew from her house.

she was in a pissy mood.

logansrun

unbeliever,

You could always try and get reinstated for the money. Just think, you'll have it all to yourself among your siblings! Hahahahaha!

Bradley

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Working in the DC chairman's office....

by logansrun in

jw
friends

let me go back about six years to the 1997 district convention.

i was an "up and coming" ms at the time (only 20 years old!

) and was asked by my po (a circuit "heavy") to be his assistant (read: gopher) in the chariman's office.

logansrun

Let me go back about six years to the 1997 District Convention. I was an "up and coming" MS at the time (only 20 years old!) and was asked by my PO (a circuit "heavy") to be his assistant (read: gopher) in the Chariman's office. What a privelege!

Well, I got to see all the speakers. Yep, every last one of them. I sat in a room filled with about a dozen of the top-notch speakers in the Chicago/Northern Indiana area along with the DO and a couple visiting Bethelites. I even got to walk some of them out onto the stage. (For those of you from the Windy City, this was at Hawthorne Race Course. Weird to have a convention there, wasn't it?)

Well, one would think that I was among the most spiritual people in the Midwest at the time. Why, everyone would be paying attention to the program and following along in their Bibles, taking notes and all.

NOT!

Pretty much, it was a social affair -- a chance for the "heavies" to hang out and chew the fat. I wasn't talked to much since I was a nobody. Oh, the Circuit overseers talked about their circuit and all the problems they had and who was where and what not. One phrase did catch my attention. One of the CO's (I wish I could remember his name) would occassionally put his arms behind his head, his feet on the desk (I'm not making this up) in front of him and say, "It just doesn't get any better than this!"

Months later, I heard a different CO say the exact same line! Is this some trade secret or something? It does say something about the hunger for status in the organization, doesn't it?

Oh, during one afternoon the DO (Paul Illingworth) actually went into his office and announced he was going to take a nap. A nap! Wow. You won't find that in the "Proclaimers" book! What a great example! (He said he was up late talking to some elder. Bah!)

All in all I got this distinct impression: the traveling overseers and "big-shot" elders pretty much have their own culture and like to associate within their own group. Oh, they will condescend for the rest of the rank and file or "petty" elders, but they will only OPEN UP around their kind. And when they do, you find out they are just like everyone else -- except they don't have to play by all the little silly rules like paying attention to the program or not talking during the session. One of them even -- gasp! -- was eating during the session! There definately was a "priveleged guardian" mentality among them.

Okay, so there you have it. My commentary for the night.

Bradley

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Will the Watchtower answer truthfully?

by Ariell in

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i told my mother about the un scandal.

of course she knew nothing about it.

me: mom, it's on the official website.

logansrun

Trying to reason with a real Jehovah's Witness is like trying to reason with a drunk.
Arguing with a real Jehovah's Witness is like being in a pissing contest with a skunk.

How clever.

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JW's are like precious diamonds

by unbeliever in

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according to my mom anyway.

i went to pick up my nephew from her house.

she was in a pissy mood.

logansrun

Shit. Well, at least you're still in her will. Oh, maybe you might check on that

Bradley

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Encouragement for new members

by hooberus in

there are alot of new members here, and i just wanted to say that although most here don't believe that the wt is "god's organization" there are many such as myself (i have never been a jw) that believe that the bible is inspired scripture*.

loosing faith in a religious organization does not necessarily mean that you must also loose faith in god.

i have a personal relationship withn the god of the bible and can tell you that he is real and wonderful.

logansrun

Oh, there's no doubt the Bible is scripture. But, inspired? I no chink so.

Bradley