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  Wedding Present: The Family Happiness book

  by Nosferatu in

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  my mother told me that after i get married, she's going to give me the "family happiness" book.

  i've never read the thing, but i know it's a wts publication that often gets given or mailed out to newlyweds who aren't in the troof.

  what's your opinion of this "fine christian publication"?

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  logansrun

  The words "dried up shit stick" come to mind...

  BRadley
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  How many have left the WTS and joined another church/group?

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  at this point in my life i don't think i could trust any religious group.

  i don't even feel the need to be a part of anything like that right now, and maybe never will.. but i know of some who have joined other churches/groups since leaving the borg.. why do some join another religion and why won't some ever get involved again?.

  what makes us so different?.

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  logansrun

  I have been attending the Temple of Vishtupin Rashpannali Therabenji for about three months now.

  Bradley

  hehe....j/k
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  How many have left the WTS and joined another church/group?

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  at this point in my life i don't think i could trust any religious group.

  i don't even feel the need to be a part of anything like that right now, and maybe never will.. but i know of some who have joined other churches/groups since leaving the borg.. why do some join another religion and why won't some ever get involved again?.

  what makes us so different?.

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  logansrun

  I have been attending the Temple of Vishtupin Rashpannali Therabenji for about three months now.

  Bradley

  hehe....j/k
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  GO CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by teenyuck in

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  i just noticed that the chicago cubs are winning!!!!

  i will not be here to see your comments....only during commercials.

  i saw the whole game last night and all i can say is kerry wood is a stud!!

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  logansrun

  I'm a lifelong Chicagoan and Cubs fan....I right there with 'ya Teenyuck! Go Cubbies! Hey, hey and Holy Cow! Woo-woo!

  Bradley
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  What Was Your Reputation In The Congregation?

  by minimus in

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  were you considered a "troublemaker", a "complainer", a "fine" brother or sister?

  were you always being called before the elders for one thing or another?

  is your reputation the same here as it was in the congregation??

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  logansrun

  Studious, a good example, ahead of my time. Model dub.

  The last year of my dubhood there were some rumors I was having some doubts...as well as to why I was no longer an MS.

  Other than that, my reputation was golden.

  Bradley
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

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  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  logansrun

  Abbadon I will get to a more detailed analysis of your response later as I don't have the time at this moment. I will say that you totally ignore all my provisional statements such as:
  

  I cannot put a probability on either of these assumptions, but I feel confident to say that they must both be somewhere near each other in terms of their probability/improbability.

  Again, a statement, not an argument with valid data provided to support it.

  I did say "I cannot put a probability..." and yet you respond as if I did. I also did not say that it was an argument.

  I could just as easily say that your statement that the "universe just IS" is not an argument either. It's a statement. We could go round and round like that, you know.

  Here is another one:

  From a scientific and philosophical level I do not believe the evidence points one way or the other.

  Are you saying there is scientific evidence for god? This is news.

  I didn't say there was scientific evidence for God or a telos to the universe. I simply said there is no scientific evidence against that notion either. Read carefully my sentences, please.

  One more:

  I, for one, prefer a form of teleology to the universe. Deism, pantheism -- I flirt with those ideas. Fortunately, I have good company. Spinoza, Voltaire, Immanuel Kant, Carl Jung, E. O. Wilson, Paul Davies, Martin Gardner -- all have expressed a belief and longing for God, or meaning, or whatever. Even Charles Darwin leaned toward Deism on occassion!

  Argument from authority; we both know that that is irrelevent.

  As you would say, it's not an argument. (And I didn't say it was!) I made it well know that this was my subjective feelings by saying, "I, for one, prefer a form of teleology..." And that preference is still a live option, as William James masterfully made know in "The Will To Believe."

  Bradley
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

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  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  logansrun

  Abbadon,

  A couple other thoughts:

  There IS an Ultimate Question to the universe. I just asked it.

  I cannot say that an infinite number of universes -- infinite! -- is any less reasonable than just one infinitely powerful and wise mind. I cannot put a probability on either of these assumptions, but I feel confident to say that they must both be somewhere near each other in terms of their probability/improbability.

  To say that the universe just "is" does not answer the question of why it exists.

  If I come across as if I am mad or downgrading your thoughts, please reconsider! I'm not. Like I said before, you bring up very valid points, arguments which have their rightful place. But, I believe the arguments I -- I really should say others -- have made in opposition.

  Bradley
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  tink's first major break-up

  by tinkerbell82 in

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  i'm officially single.

  i don't know how to feel exactly.

  thank you to everyone who has been so sweet and kind and supportive of me, you have no idea how much it's meant to me.

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  logansrun

  ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Tink))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  You're a sweet girl and you have your act together. You, my friend, are going to be all right.

  Bradley
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

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  2. friends

  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  logansrun

  Abbadon,

  I see nothing wrong with what you have said. I have related the same arguments you have many times; they are sound ones.

  But, just think about something you said: 'the universe just might BE.' Does that really make any more or less sense than saying "God just IS"? I really cannot say so. Of course, Occam's Razor might imply that it is easier to justify a universe that just "is" as opposed to a God that just "is." I don't know. I don't know!

  What I do know is this: the universe is organized, comprehensible. It makes sense. Sure, there are things in it that we don't like: suffering, death, etc. But I actually do believe that there are more happinesses than sorrows in life -- even if our few decades on this earth is all we get.

  I made my post to serve as a reality check, somewhat. A reality check to show just how incomprehensible our existence is whether we are theists or atheists. From a scientific and philosophical level I do not believe the evidence points one way or the other. I, for one, prefer a form of teleology to the universe. Deism, pantheism -- I flirt with those ideas. Fortunately, I have good company. Spinoza, Voltaire, Immanuel Kant, Carl Jung, E. O. Wilson, Paul Davies, Martin Gardner -- all have expressed a belief and longing for God, or meaning, or whatever. Even Charles Darwin leaned toward Deism on occassion!

  The long and short of it is this: a belief in God and Ultimate Meaning for the universe need not be correct. But it remains a logically viable option -- scientifically, philosophically and, perhaps most importantly, psychologically.

  Bradley
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  logansrun

  Iron Gland,

  I was using the word "infinite" metaphorically.

  Bradley