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  What ELSE is wrong with the WT Society and JWs?

  by fjtoth in

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  teaching that true christianity is an organization instead of a way of life

  centralizing authority in an organization instead of letting christ be the head of each christian

  claiming salvation is dependent upon belonging to the jw denomination

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  logansrun

  While I agree with most of the items on that list, I am going to make a few comments that I feel JWs could justifiably make against your list

  Teaching that true Christianity is an organization instead of a way of life

  JW's would not see a difference in this....the organization is the way of life

  Placing WT literature above the Bible

  I must say that even I have a problem accepting this as a complaint against the JWs. Never at any time have I seen the WT or any of it's publications put their words over the Bible. One may disagree with their interpretation of the Bible, or with the rules they place in addition to the Bible, but I cannot think of one single instance where they have said "the Bible says this...but we disagree and want you to do this." Sorry, if we are going to criticise the JWs, lets be a little more specific than this claim (which I would have to call a half-truth).

  Falsifying the fact that Charles Russell predicted for 1914 the end of the world, not Christ's return

  With all due respect, they have clarified this matter of late...although not very well.

  Lying about a so-called "increase" in earthquakes, warfare, famines, persecution, etc., since 1914

  "Lying?" Maybe a better phrase would be "wishful thinking" or "selective use of statistics." I think the brothers that write their end-times paranoia actually believe the stuff.

  Being quick to disfellowship instead of making efforts to restore persons who have done something wrong

  This is a little subjective. So much depends on the local body of elders.

  Holding heresy trials and disciplinary hearings in secrecy from the rest of the congregation

  And some might rather have their "dirty laundry" aired between just a few people.

  Denying that the JW organization is part of Babylon the Great

  Such a statement would mean that you know who makes up Babylon the Great. Do you?

  Please, don't take this as an attack on your list. Overall, I agree with many of the sentiments expressed. I just like to see arguments that are as fine-tuned as possible.

  Bradley
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  ? for current or former Elders

  by Azalo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do people at jcs pretty much have to cry to show that they are repentant?

  i've always wondered that.

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  Okay, how about vomitting? Is that a mark of repentence?

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  music groups that pi$$ed JWs off

  by Pleasuredome in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always found it funny that jws hated pop groups with a passion.

  here's some groups, that i was always being had a go at for listening to, or told that they shouldnt be listened to...

  guns n roses - for sexist and viloent lyrics.

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  logansrun

  Led Zeppelin
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  Do You Remember the Day of Your Baptism?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  your baptism date is supposed to be the most important time of your life.

  i was 9 years old when i took the plunge.

  i remember my baptism, mostly because, i was baptized twice.

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  logansrun

  September 5, 1992. I was fifteen years old and scared to death of getting a woody under my shorts in front of thousands of sisters....(I didn't)

  Bradley
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  New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

  several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

  here is a quote that shows this: .

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  Blues Brothers,

  Thanks for the full paragraph in question. It seems like the JWs are not making a 180 degree turn in doctrine like they normally do, but are publishing their "get out of jail free" card before something dreadful happens, like the UN collapses. Most JWs will not really notice the subtlety of the wording here, but the old timers should be asking why such "non-speculative" remarks were not made earlier, say, one hundred and twenty four years ago.

  Bradley
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  Pioneers Assist Others program

  by rocketman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was still an elder and i was present at the elder's school about three years ago when it was announced that the pao program would be re-introduced (it was evidently in practice some years before).. the program was a problem from day one.

  it was very hard pairing publishers with pioneers.

  publishers who were approached and asked to participate felt that they were being thought of as "weak".

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  As a pioneer/MS, I had the privelege of assisting three brothers locate all the Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts on the north side of Chicago.

  Bradley
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Stupid People???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are supposed to be the cleanest, the happiest and the most honest people on earth.

  in reality, do you think that they are amongst the most stupid people on earth??

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  Well, I don't think I'm an Einstein, but I'm smarter than your average bear. I give myself the benefit of the doubt in that I was raised in it. Seems those dubs that are really intelligent just grew up force-fed this crap. Those that come into the organization with some brains about them also have one other notable feature: they are extrememly QUIRKY (see Fred Franz).

  Bradley
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  New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

  several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

  here is a quote that shows this: .

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  Pleasuredome,

  I agree, the ramifications would be enormous. Which is why I ask, why would they do it? The GB is dense sometimes, but not this stupid. Perhaps we are jumping the gun a little bit on this, imho.

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  New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

  several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

  here is a quote that shows this: .

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  logansrun

  Forgive my elegant skepticism, but even if the Society changed it's views on the UN to the effect that it is not neccessarily going to be the organization that crushes all religion and tries to ban the JWs, that still would not negate the fact that the WT was blatently taking part in a worldly, governmental organzition. The WT would still continue to view it as part of Satan's organization, although it would have a possibly diminished role in future prophecy.

  My point is that changing the prophetic interpretation would not really "cover their asses" anyway, since they still would be in violation of their strictly neutral position. So, if the changed thought doesn't really help "explain" the WTs role in the UN, why do we need a conspiracy theory to account for it?

  Just a thought,
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  JW singles? Check this out

  by jwbot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found a jw singles group on msn groups!

  hilarious!

  http://groups.msn.com/jehovahswitnesssingles/home.htm

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  logansrun

  Reading Rachel's post reminded me of the wonderful spiritual paradise they have. Wow. The JWs are just so much better than everyone else.

  Bradley -- (who, at various times in my JW life, was all of the types of brothers she described)