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  ?I NEVER , ever, thought I would say this....

  by azaria in

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  for the past week or so my mind has been going a mile a minute.

  ill be at work, in bed, wherever, things come into my head, and i have to write it down that very moment.

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  Just one thought to add to the others: man didn't evolve from chimpanzees, but from a common ancestor with the chimpanzees. There's a big difference and that answers the shortsighted Creationist question "If man came from monkey's why are there still monkeys?" Why? Because we didn't "come from monkeys." We evolved from an apelike ancestor whose lineage split into multiple lines, some of which became extinct and some of which evolved to the point where we have humans, gorrillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and orangutangs. Very easy answer to a seemingly damning question.

  There is no way in hell that when a chimp eats the "forbidden fruit" in Eden that he suddenly becomes a human. Sorry.

  Evolution is an absolute fact of science, period. That does not exclude the possibility of a Creator at all, though. The JW and Creationist position on the subject is a farce and quite short-sighted.

  Bradley
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  The Bible is a very mean spirited book.

  by libra_spirit in

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  2. bible

  i remember at one point in my life believing that the new testament taught love as the greatest command.

  for the last week i have been rereading the new testament.

  mathew, and revelation so far.

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  logansrun

  Maverick,

  Also from Tom Sawyer:

  "It's not the parts of the Bible that I don't understand that cause me to doubt it, it's the parts that I do understand."

  Bradley

  (That's not a verbatim quote; it went something like that)
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  The Bible is a very mean spirited book.

  by libra_spirit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember at one point in my life believing that the new testament taught love as the greatest command.

  for the last week i have been rereading the new testament.

  mathew, and revelation so far.

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  Okay, this is going to sound really bad, but....I feel sorry for people that really believe the Bible is the word of God. I really do. It's like grown adults believing in Alladin and his Magic Lamp or some other fairy tale. I have the nagging suspicion that anyone who defends it like some here do have never read any critical literature by secular or liberal scholars on the subject. A great start is Elaine Pagels "The Origin of Satan" and "The Gnostic Gospels." But, people like their fairy tales and will cling to them ad naseum...

  Bradley
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  Being "Smart" will not prevent one from following the WTS

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weekend, while katie and i were at the beach, we both spent a little time reading coc (no, it wasn't a study lol ...i can honestly say that i did not favor the disfellowshipping decision made by the [governing] body.

  for when the vote came i conformed to the majority decision.

  i felt dismayed when the body assigned me to prepare mateiral in support of the decision, yet i accepted the assignment and wrote it as was desired by the body...my belief in the organization as god's only agency on earth caused me to do what i did at that time without particularly great qualms of conscience.. .

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  There is a great chapter in the new version of Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things" entitled, "Why Smart People Believe Weird Things." Basically, an intelligent person is very capable of holding some pretty whacked out ideas because she/he has a great ability to convolute the argument and make it sound reasonable, even though it isn't. Throw in some social pressures and you've got a recipe for some intelligent people belonging to a cult like the JWs (or Mormons, Fundamentalist Christians, etc.).

  A good example: Fred Franz. I believe it was in CoC that one GB member reportedly said that FF "could rationalize anything."

  Bradley
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  Most Annoying "Kingdom song?"

  by doodle-v in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what's a kingdom song you can remember singing that gives you the creeps now?

  mine is "move ahead" i think that was the title, anyway it has so much rhetoric... but the tune is so darn catchy.... darn.... in my opinion, those songs are the perfect example of mind control.

  move ahead.. move ahead ... blah blah blah blah blah .

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  Geez, I don't remember the name, but it went: "be happy, be happy....." and then "be joyful, be joyful...." God, you ever see the Stepford Wives? Well, this is the Stepford Religion.

  Bradley
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  Part 2 The Greatest Story Ever Sold

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  scholar, visionary

  acharya s has gained mastery in several religions, as well other esoterica and the supernatural, and has a number of students and devotees.

  she is also the author of several books, including

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  This book by "Achyra" has bee lambasted by scholars -- but that doesn't mean the Bible is the word of God, either. She puts forth some rather convoluted arguments according to Tim Callahan in one of the latest issues of "Skeptic" magazine. Interestingly, Callahan has his own books, much more worth reading, which are critical of the Bible.

  Wake up to the post-Enlightenment world, Hooberus. The Bible, read as the literal truth word for word, is so incredibly outrageous that anyone with intellectual honesty must reject it as such.

  Bradley
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  Defending friends online

  by kenpodragon in

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  2. friends

  over the time i have been coming to message board, i have seen something happen time and time again and even been part of it myself.

  it is called, defending friends online.

  in so doing, i can honesty say that every time i did it, i felt i was right and had the correct motives to do so.

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  logansrun

  I see "dragon" likes to air his "wisdom" on various corners of the web. How about a pie chart breaking down how much of his personality is egomaniacal?

  Bradley (of the "I see right through dragon" class)
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  thrown for a loop by Elder

  by integ in

  1. social
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  'just when i'm about to get out, they keep pulling me back in"- godfather 3.. this quote does'nt truly apply to me, but just when i am convinced there are absolutely no redeemable qualities about the borg this really nice elder comes up to me and very calmly tells me how much i am loved and missed at the meetings, to not feel any pressure, and that jehovah will always be there for me, and that he (the elder) would too.

  he had a very calm, serene, quality about him.

  came off as truly "spiritual".

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  Any person from any religion can be "nice" and "peaceful." I remember preaching to this older Evangelical man when I was a Dub and he seemed so confident and grandfatherly. (He also made some good points about the NWT adding "other" in Phil. 2:5,6...or is it Collosians? Anyway...).

  Look at the Dalai Lama or Ghandi. They are/were peaceful to the point of almost seeming divine. But, they aint Jehoober Witnesses!

  I have NO doubts about "what if they are right." Hell, I've bet my life on that and I feel damn comfortable about my decision. I hope you can work through this.

  Bradley
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  Do you ever just get frustrated?

  by Aztec in

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  2. friends

  not necessarily with anything in particular, but, with the world in general?

  watching the news is disturbing, there just seems to be so little compassion or empathy.

  most of us are so spoiled and we don't even realize it!

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  Aztec,

  No. I never, ever get frustrated at anything or anybody.

  Bradley
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  No HOPE in our future????

  by kenpodragon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in my witness past, i had many hopes.

  they do not pass by with the thought that there will soon be hope of something better.

  no, they pass into me with the hope of knowing how precious the things are that i have.

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  Um, yes -- I was quite kidding. But there sure was a lot of HOPE in that sea of words, wasn't there?

  B