Steve's a great guy. I corresponded with him about a year ago. Part of that is on his "comments" page...I'm B.P. btw
logansrun
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Great Book !!!
by thinker ini've just finished reading an amazing online novel called "falling in truth" by steve mcroberts.
he gave me permission to post it here.
it's a fictionalized account of his experiences as a jw and it's extremely well thought out and researched.
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by little witch incould it be that some of the posters on this board suffer from ''stockholm syndrome''?
i wonder how some of them can claim to be jw's, post on an ''apostate'' board, even complain about the borg a bit, but still attend meetings, stand up for the doctrines, and even attempt in an odd way, to shun all the other posters.
for those who don't know the term stockholm syndrome, it is when a victim knows the perpetrator is hurting him/her, but begins to empathise, and even help them continue the harm.
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logansrun
Any of the ladies want to wear this costume from the movie? Azzy?
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by little witch incould it be that some of the posters on this board suffer from ''stockholm syndrome''?
i wonder how some of them can claim to be jw's, post on an ''apostate'' board, even complain about the borg a bit, but still attend meetings, stand up for the doctrines, and even attempt in an odd way, to shun all the other posters.
for those who don't know the term stockholm syndrome, it is when a victim knows the perpetrator is hurting him/her, but begins to empathise, and even help them continue the harm.
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logansrun
You mean like this one?
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Well, I did it...I called up the Society
by logansrun inwell, i think it was psychologically healthy, perhaps.
you see, i never did dissassociate myself and was never disfellowshipped.
i never had the "officialness" of it all.
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logansrun
LovesDubs,
Yeah, I hear you. Actually, the thought that I might be reaching a part of this man's conscience crossed my mind. Unfortunately, he sounded like an older man so what are the chances he's willing to even think about changing. Some part of me just had this incredible urge to say something. Call it some weird integrity within me, I don't know.
Dan the Man,
Your right. In fact, I told him that what the Bible said about "disfellowshipping" -- which is a made up word I might add -- is open to interpretation. He asked what other interpretations I had read. "Well, Ray Franz has a chapter dealing with the 'Use and Misuse of Disfellowshipping.'" He completely ignored this statement and went on again how we each need to decide for ourselves what we believe and that the organization follows the Bible. Methinks he didn't want to talk about Ray.
Bradley
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Here is something to debate!
by Aztec indoes true love exist?.
i'm a skeptic by nature, although not necessarily a very logical one.
i believe in love but i am not sure of the idea of one true love or soulmates.
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logansrun
LOL Dan. I think that would be "lust at first sight." Yeah, I believe in that too (and experience it on an almost daily basis!)
Bradley
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Well, I did it...I called up the Society
by logansrun inwell, i think it was psychologically healthy, perhaps.
you see, i never did dissassociate myself and was never disfellowshipped.
i never had the "officialness" of it all.
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logansrun
What for, you ask? Well, I think it was psychologically healthy, perhaps. You see, I never did dissassociate myself and was never disfellowshipped. I never had the "officialness" of it all. Plus, I've been extremely disturbed at things in the Watchtower world of late (does anyone else feel that way? LOL) I had the urge to SCREAM.
Well, I didn't scream . But, I was able to get on the phone with someone from Writing and tell them, calmly, what I thought of their organization, especially the extremely inflammatory rhetoric used in publications denouncing the rest of the world, especially ex-witnesses. I read a paragraph from the July 15, 2003 Watchtower (pg. 22) which talked about propaganda and how Hitler demonized the Jews by calling them "evil", "degenerate", "wicked" etc. I then read a sentence from the notes of someone who attended this years convention which stated, "Do not return to the apostate doctrinal vomit." How is this not propagandistic in nature, I asked. All he stated (over and over) is "well, we have to go by the scriptures."
I then related how my two uncles are both disfellowshipped, one for over 20 years (who I don't know) and the other for about six months. The latter is trying to get reinstated , but is still being shunned by everyone. Yeah, and he is practically clinically depressed for this very reason. He's devastated and has called up my mother crying numerous times (she allows that, God bless her). The last thing this man needs in his mid-life crisis is for all his friends and most of his family to shun him. I asked this Bethel fellow if most psychologists would agree that shunning was "helping" him. He chuckled and just stated "well, what do the scriptures say."
Nothing was resolved. I was calm and pleasant throughout this conversation (and he was too). It's just mind-boggling how utterly blinded people can be in an organization like this. You know some people that are really smart and really stupid all at the same time? That's how I view people like this, and the organization as a whole.
I ended by saying that I don't hate Jehovah's Witnesses, but am disgusted by the psychological pain they have caused me and countless others. That was the end of that.
Do I feel better? Only a tad. But, hey, I had to give it a try.
Bradley
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by little witch incould it be that some of the posters on this board suffer from ''stockholm syndrome''?
i wonder how some of them can claim to be jw's, post on an ''apostate'' board, even complain about the borg a bit, but still attend meetings, stand up for the doctrines, and even attempt in an odd way, to shun all the other posters.
for those who don't know the term stockholm syndrome, it is when a victim knows the perpetrator is hurting him/her, but begins to empathise, and even help them continue the harm.
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logansrun
Whew! I thought this post might be about me.
Bradley
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SOJ explain how your conscience allows you to post on Apostate site?
by LyinEyes ini am really curious as to how you will answer this soj,,,,,,,and any other active jw's who post here, even read here,,,,,,,,,because when i was an active witness,,,,,,,,i was taught that reading any apostate material was wrong.
i didnt even watch a tv show that talked bad about the jw"s for fear it was an apostate program.. i know if you are caught soj, posting here,,,,,,you would not have been reinstated( you were right?
), so did you tell the elders you post here?
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logansrun
My take is SoJ is a very intelligent person (for a JW) who has absolutely no "priveleges" in the congregation and has the incredible urge to "feel important" since, among the JWs, he probably is totally lost in the woodwork. He also is a master of making unwarranted rationalizations. Gee, I wonder where he learned that?
Bradley
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To "my brother" SwordofJah
by ScoobySnax ini don't think we're anything alike from what i've read of your posts.
i'm interested to know what you think...... an old saying comes to mind though:.
"you laugh at me coz i'm different, but i laugh coz you're all the same" .
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logansrun
Scooby,
I hate to be mean, but you are one of the most philosophically whacked out people I've ever seen on-line. I mean, it's really funny how you come here and can "analyze" ex-JWs and not do the same about the most "perfect organization" on the planet. You know, the ones who also are the "happiest people on earth." Please. Dude, you need some coherancy in your life.
Bradley
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Annual BRCI Conference in Illinois...
by logansrun ini've been informed that the annual brci conference is going to be on the last weekend of june, friday and saturday the 27th and 28th, at the wyndham in itasca, illinois.
the program runs from 10 to 5:30 on friday, 9 to 5:30 on saturday.. anybody going to this conference from this board?
bradley
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logansrun
I've been informed that the annual BRCI conference is going to be on the last weekend of June, Friday and Saturday the 27th and 28th, at the Wyndham in Itasca, Illinois. The program runs from 10 to 5:30 on Friday, 9 to 5:30 on Saturday.
Anybody going to this conference from this board?
Bradley
