first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
wouldn't it be nice to have on your side an affidavit by a former Governing Body member testifing to the fact that the Governing Body had covered over sex acts committed by their own against childrenI think this would be nice too.Brummie
Yeah, it would be nice. But Ray has stated on numerous occasions that he has no knowledge of the above. After all he has done to show the JWs for what they are, why on earth would he withhold information? I believe him.
Bradley
note: i changed the title from "talked w/ ray franz today" because the new title seems better connected to the original post.
i discussed the issues island woman raised regarding ray franz, ewart chitty, leo greenlees, how this relates to supporting silentlambs, or how right or wrong bill bowen may be.. .
ray franz stated again, as he did in his earleir post through me, and previous conversations with me, that he has never dealt with any issue regarding pedophilia among jws.
Here we go again, folks! Hang on!
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
Who said this website is solely a "support group?"
Bradley
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
Brummie,
Your view of this Island Woman affair is patently absurd. IW insinuated that Ray has unquestionably withheld information and taken a stand against abuse victims by agreeing with Bill Bowen. She did this with her comment regarding Bowen:
Someone I trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.
So, can you add this all up? Bowen attacks Ray and IW publically agrees with him and says she has information to back up her view. Amazing then simply asks for IW to present the facts. She does not. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see there are some holes in IW's story (and Bill's).
Bradley
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
Ronda,
Thanks for that link to Bill's site. I read portions of the article about Ray and found it to be very distasteful and ameteurish. Honestly, my respect for Bowen is hovering somwhere between minimal and non-existent.
B
i'm agnostic.
i was writing to this 21 year old kid who is having a hard time because he's gay and he believes the witnesses are the truth.
before he broke it off with me, he wrote this:hi mike,.
jgnat,
Agreed. St. John's Wart didn't do didly for me. I started taking Effexor when I got to be very depressed and have slowly reduced my dosage. It worked wonders for me.
Bradley
note: i changed the title from "talked w/ ray franz today" because the new title seems better connected to the original post.
i discussed the issues island woman raised regarding ray franz, ewart chitty, leo greenlees, how this relates to supporting silentlambs, or how right or wrong bill bowen may be.. .
ray franz stated again, as he did in his earleir post through me, and previous conversations with me, that he has never dealt with any issue regarding pedophilia among jws.
Amazing,
Good work. I don't agree with Ray on everything (ie faith in the Bible) but I tip my hat to his courage, straight-forwardness and honesty. Bluntly put, I trust him. I cannot say the same about others.
Bradley
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
So far.....Island Woman is nary to be found.....
Bradley
i'm agnostic.
i was writing to this 21 year old kid who is having a hard time because he's gay and he believes the witnesses are the truth.
before he broke it off with me, he wrote this:hi mike,.
Mike,
Oh, you also wrote this:
But after writing to him, seriously, I wondered whether he should be happy, or I should be miserable. I keep getting the feeling that I'm living in a bubble, completely oblivious to the political turmoil of the world while sipping on my iced frappuchino.
I've battled some of the same feelings, but if you think about that long enough you will see how incredibly pointless it is to think like that. We each do our own little part to help the world and our miniscule place in it. You have a sphere of influence that you can improve as does everyone. Making yourself miserable just because you can't solve ALL the problems will only reduce what you are able to do in the sphere you are part of. Very Witness-like thinking, the former. And it doesn't work.
Also, keep in mind that we all have been severly indoctrinated into being extreme pessimists when it comes to the world at large. Like was said before, many things in this day and age are VASTLY improved over previous centuries. I honestly cannot think of any other time I'd like to live in.
Just flow with life and tackle problems as they come up.
Cheers,
Bradley
i'm agnostic.
i was writing to this 21 year old kid who is having a hard time because he's gay and he believes the witnesses are the truth.
before he broke it off with me, he wrote this:hi mike,.
I wonder if the people that loved it the most, coming out of it, now hate it the most?
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Personally, I left the "Truth (tm)" because I CARED about truth. I lost my faith because I wanted it to be real and wanted it to be solid. I hope the kid finds his own way.
Bradley
