I was at the health food store the other day and found conspicously on the bottom shelf -- organic tampons. No, I am not making this up. What's next...organic condoms?
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Now I've seen everything....
by logansrun ini was at the health food store the other day and found conspicously on the bottom shelf -- organic tampons.
no, i am not making this up.
what's next...organic condoms?
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The Scriptures
by KGB inthe scriptures are some of the oldest books in the world known to man with dates included now how do you suppose that can be, that these books have survived this long, many thousands of years ?
hmmmmmm i don't see any other book on the shelf as long as this book not even any other history book as far as that goes, now i wonder why a book that supposedly is nothing more than a lie or uninspired as some of you put it would survive that long.
i wonder how christianity has lasted as long as it has if it is all just a lie.
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John 1:1 for nonbelievers.....
by logansrun ini've often felt that the most objective person in a situation is the one who has no stake in the outcome.
this holds true to religious issues as well.
we all know freddie franz translated john 1:1 as "the word was [a] god" and the rest of the christian world flew through the roof.
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I've often felt that the most objective person in a situation is the one who has no stake in the outcome. This holds true to religious issues as well.
We all know Freddie Franz translated John 1:1 as "the Word was [a] God" and the rest of the Christian world flew through the roof. Was it Bruce Metzger that called the NWT a "monstrosity"? (But, as a lifelong Christian can we really say he is objective?) Well, anyway, most Bibles read "the Word was God." But, I've read that many scholars are not comfortable with that translation either. "And the Word was what God was" seems to be about as close as you can come to whatever the Johanine author intended.
So my question is to all you who don't have a stake in the matter -- the nonbelievers or agnostics who still can hold their own when it comes to Bible translation and exegesis(attn. AlanF and Gamaliel). What is the "best" -- if there can be a best -- translation of John 1:1? Do you believe that "John" was subtly hinting that Jesus "was God" in some way? How radical a departure was this from the synoptic Gospels where Jesus is definitely not on the same level as God?
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Gettin' Personal here.......
by Frannie Banannie inthanks to little toe's piquing my interest on this subject, i hafta ask it...... .
has anyone here had any personal spiritual experiences and is anyone here brave enough to describe/relate any personal spiritual experiences they've had, whether pre-borg, during being borganized or post-borg?
to be more specific, have you ever seen any angels or spirit creatures, been made aware of their presence in any way, interacted with or communicated with them, or had dream/visions...etc?
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Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...
by logansrun ini'm going to be a man of few words here.
christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.
the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.
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Kenneson,
I must acknowledge that the original post I made in this thread was not meant to be taken all too literally. I wrote in a poetic frame of mind -- not meant for strict logic-chopping. Nevertheless....
I do believe that the Christian message if taken literally and thought over to it's logical conclusion does promote a victim mentality that is unhealthy and unproductive. Anytime one must look to an outside source for their happiness or validation is wrong, in my opinion. There is no self-actualization for these types -- it's all Jesus-actualization.
As for my pithy comment, "save yourself" -- I'm not sure why you take issue with this. Let me expand on those two words. You don't need an external force, person or religion to find happiness and self-esteem. Over-reliance on anything is not a good thing -- especially when the thing you are relying on is as untrustworthy as faith. Being proactive, taking personal responsibility and searching for your own meaning doesn't make one a victim. All the same, let's not argue over my words in this matter. It's not the Gospel you know
Bradley
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JW's preaching about the fall of all false religion., to the US government?
by Vivamus inwhen i was having study, an elder told me this story about how witnesses witnessed to the governments as well.
and he told me this story about jw's preaching about the fall of all false religion., to the us government (?
) and how this was met with surprise, cuz the us (could also have been the un) had these plans about dealing with religions all along.
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The Scriptures
by KGB inthe scriptures are some of the oldest books in the world known to man with dates included now how do you suppose that can be, that these books have survived this long, many thousands of years ?
hmmmmmm i don't see any other book on the shelf as long as this book not even any other history book as far as that goes, now i wonder why a book that supposedly is nothing more than a lie or uninspired as some of you put it would survive that long.
i wonder how christianity has lasted as long as it has if it is all just a lie.
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To whom ever it was that said what dates in the bible, well person you must not have read much of it. On the first page of every book there is a writing date for instance in Matthew the date of writing is A.D 50, the book of Joshua date of writing is 14th centry B.C and so on.
KGB you numbskill -- those dates are not part of the actual text. They are supplied by the publishers of the Bible you happen to be holding. All the dates you read "on the first page of every book" are open to debate as well -- most scholars would not date Matthew at AD 50 nor Joshua at the 14th century BC.
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Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...
by logansrun ini'm going to be a man of few words here.
christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.
the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.
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On this whole Ransom thing.....
It has just occurred to me, if I am not mistaken, that nowhere in Genesis does God say to Adam and Eve that their children would also die because of eating the fruit -- that the implications would be death and torment for billions of people. If you really take the story at face value, you have to ask why Yahweh didn't give them this important piece of information.
Bradley
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Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...
by logansrun ini'm going to be a man of few words here.
christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.
the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.
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Little Toe,
But you believe that every "believer" is ultimately wrong, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt.
Well, that is true to a certain degree but not always. For example, I believe -- quite firmly -- that there is "something more" to the universe. A teleology. A purpose. I don't believe in a personal god, but do believe there might be something, somehow approaching what might be called "God." Even so, a personal God (or gods!) cannot be totally ruled out. The agnostic position, as emotionally and intellectually unsatisfactory as it is, is still the most logical given what we know.
Also -- not all believers are as sincere as yourself. I also believe you are far more open than many. That is what puts you above some of your Christian comrades.
Ultimately, we'll all find out, for we are all destined to die eventually - helpless victims to that sure fate.
Victims? Hmmm....I'm not sure if I would phrase it that way. You know, in many of the Eastern religions they feel that death is nothing more than an illusion -- just as the "self" is an illusion. To a certain degree I agree with them (though not totally). To be a "victim" would indicate that such an eventuality was somehow avoidable. Death is not, though. It just is part of nature, an essential part in fact. Much like brushing our teeth, it just *is*.
IMHO it IS pretty simple:
Love God and love your neighbour (with all that that entails). Love IS the law.I agree with the latter unequivically and, if one defines "God" as the Ultimate, or the Highest Good I agree with the former as well. Good heavens, now I'm starting to sound like Paul Tillich.
Bradley
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The Scriptures
by KGB inthe scriptures are some of the oldest books in the world known to man with dates included now how do you suppose that can be, that these books have survived this long, many thousands of years ?
hmmmmmm i don't see any other book on the shelf as long as this book not even any other history book as far as that goes, now i wonder why a book that supposedly is nothing more than a lie or uninspired as some of you put it would survive that long.
i wonder how christianity has lasted as long as it has if it is all just a lie.
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KGB,
The scriptures are some of the oldest books in the world known to man with dates included now how do you suppose that can be, that these books have survived this long, many thousands of years ?
What dates? Where? There is not so much as one book in the Bible that has a date stating when it was written. I challenge you to show me one.