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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

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  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  Mindchild,

  I've thought many of the same things you mention. Modern physics definitely does point to the existence of a Multiverse. But, when you think about it, doesn't that also just dodge the question? Can we comfortably say, "Well, the reason our universe exists is because it is part of a much larger Multiverse which contains many universes. Surely some of them are bound to have the physical constants necessary for life to evolve. What is more, there are an infinite number of these universes. Whalla! There's the answer!"

  But, where did the Multiverse come from? You see, we can go on ad infinitum with this type of reasoning.

  A tough question: Does the idea of a Multiverse contradict Occam's Razor as much as does the theory of a God?

  Little Toe,

  The problem with your thought is that modern phsyicists have recently made calculations which show the universe most likely will not recede in on itself in a "big crunch." It appears it will simply keep expanding......for...ev.....e...............r...........................................................................

  Bradley
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  What will happen to humankind? (serious)

  by ScoobySnax in

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  i want to ask a deep question here, only because i want to know your answer..... i was listening to my mum and dad tonight watching a programme on the discovery channel about how in so many million years the sun will implode or explode and destroy all life in our solar system and beyond.

  my dad was fascinated and was arguing with my mum who said it's rubbish because that isn't jehovah's purpose for the earth.

  later i was thinking.

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  Personally, I think God will obliterate everybody except the .1% of mankind who follows his Commands by not thinking.

  Bradley

  Okay, seriously....I think humanity, as well as this earth, will end. There's no doubt about it. Next question?
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  Addendum:

  All in all, what I am saying is this: the chances for there being a purpose, meaning and cause to our universe is about as great as there being none. Taken another way, the chances are also as unlikely.

  Like I said, choose your absurdity.

  Bradley
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  God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

  even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.

  our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.

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  Here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the Ultimate Question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?
  
  Even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists. Our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.) This is a conumdrum, a PARADOX.
  
  To say that our universe exists because "God did it" is absurd, ridiculous. It's a non-answer.
  
  To say that our universe exists because it simply exists, that is, without a Deity, is ALSO absurd, ridiculous and a non-answer.
  
  Choose your absurdity.
  
  I ask you to enter a very theoretical place in your mind. Picture yourself as existing apart from the universe we know and ask yourself if you would accept, theoretically, the universe without a designer or First Cause or metaphysic as it's explanation. Would you? "Ah, yes...that seems logical. A universe which is nothing more than a nonsensical bunch of atoms which formed from an explosion at a singularity which was uncaused. I can accept that."
  
  Fool.
  
  Or would you demand a metaphysical reason for it's existence? This somewhat dodges the question, though, doesn't it? To say "God did it" (or, as I accept, that the universe is divine and teleological in and of itself) seems to do nothing more but create more questions. It answers the question as to why the universe exists but then raises the question as to why the cause of the answer exists!
  
  Either way -- no God or God -- you become illogical, a fool. I honestly cannot see one philosophical outlook as being superior to the other. For sure, some types of theologies are absurd. The Judeo-Christian God, taken literally, is a purely human invention. Anyone open to reason and morality can see this. All the same, there are other theologies. Better ones? I think so.
  
  Yes, we are in a hell of a conumdrum aren't we? Either way we end up a fool no matter what we choose. And, don't kid yourself, we do choose. Knowing this, choose wisely.
  
  Bradley
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  An Awake for you Deviant Folks (10/8/03)

  by metatron in

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  well, they pulled all their courage together at headquarters and did it.. they put out an article in the latest awake against you folks who persist in.

  misusing your various orifices/appendages - "alternative lifestyles - does god.

  approve?".

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  Hilarious! Good job Watson!

  To be fair, I don't think the WT was stating that all homosexuality is caused by demon-possession...just, er, sometimes.

  Bradley
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  An Awake for you Deviant Folks (10/8/03)

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, they pulled all their courage together at headquarters and did it.. they put out an article in the latest awake against you folks who persist in.

  misusing your various orifices/appendages - "alternative lifestyles - does god.

  approve?".

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  SF Jim,

  I don't recall the Society ever saying that. Care to provide a reference?

  Either way, the WT's rhetoric is disgusting. Damn them.

  Bradley
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  JW interpretation of the "Tree of Knowledge"

  by logansrun in

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  i thought about this years ago..... so, if the "tree of knowledge of good and bad" really represented jah's "universal sovereignty", why not just call it the "tree of god's universal sovereignty"?

  that would have made everything a lot simpler, wouldn't it?.

  bradley

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  Peaceful Pete, That's the first time I've ever heard that White originated the "Universal Sovereignty" hypothesis and that Russel got the idea from her. Would you care to expand on that comment? Bradley
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  JW interpretation of the "Tree of Knowledge"

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought about this years ago..... so, if the "tree of knowledge of good and bad" really represented jah's "universal sovereignty", why not just call it the "tree of god's universal sovereignty"?

  that would have made everything a lot simpler, wouldn't it?.

  bradley

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  I thought about this years ago....

  So, if the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad" really represented Jah's "Universal Sovereignty", why not just call it the "Tree of God's Universal Sovereignty"? That would have made everything a lot simpler, wouldn't it?

  Bradley
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  Reasons Why We Like or Love Jehovahs-Witness Discussion

  by minimus in

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  every once in a while we get disturbed or annoyed over something that takes place here.

  for a change, let's express reasons why we're happy to be here.......i'll give one reason amongst many.

  there are so many enlightening posters here!

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  And WE'RE the people who give the JWs a hard time for OMITTING so much of what they have published from their CD

  Um, Francois, you mean you.

  B.
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  Another reason I hate the ACLU

  by freedom96 in

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  ever heard of nambla?

  this is an organization that promotes man-boy love, with support groups, and magazines and books supporting the subject.. and the aclu has gone to bat for these guys.

  pro bono, backing their rights to this sick group.

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  We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)

  The question is, does this statement accurately reflect the views of the ACLU today?

  B.