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  Thinking of going back

  by Laika in

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  someone talk some sense into me ffs..

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  Laika

  Someone talk some sense into me ffs.
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  What have Jehovah's Witnesses copied from the Mormons

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. beliefs

  have jws pinched anything other than family worship from the mormons?.

  could we see jws implement a type of meeting structure similar to the mormons to try and engage different ages in different ways?.

  could we ever see a jw feel free to do anything like...?.

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  Laika

  I've heard Mormon meetings are as boring as JW ones, I'm not sure borrowing would achieve much.
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  Mass movement: Atheist mega-churches take Western world by storm

  by Dis-Member in

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  2. current

  "singing songs, clapping hands, praising acts of giving and community work all the things present in a church have now found an official home in so-called atheist mega-churches, a quirky idea spreading like wildfire across the western world.".

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  http://rt.com/news/atheist-mega-churches-west-518/.

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  Lol, maybe we'll get atheist televangelists next.
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  John 3:16 - "believe" or "exercise faith?" Same thing?

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently asked my jw mother, if she believed that jesus died for her sins.

  (john 3:16).

  she agreed, but then added the jw party line, "you have to exercise faith also.

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  Laika

  It's an overtranslation that allows them to turn a simple act into 'works' They do the same by translating 'confession' into 'public declaration' in Romans 10, and then using it to promote the preaching work.

  Show your mother 1 John 5:1.
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  should I tell the CO my doubts?

  by Captain Blithering in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.

  hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.

  i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!

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  Laika

  The problem with this idea Captain is that you don't have doubts, you have knowledge.

  Nothing a CO or elder can tell you will convince you it's the truth again, and if the CO and elders decide to go to effots to help you, at some point you have to back down and agree with their weak answers or say you'll 'Wait on Jehovah' to avoid disfellowshipping, but now you'll be on the radar during your fade.

  Of course, there's no good way to leave this religion, it's a tough situation, I understand.
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  Who are doing Jehovahs will" Brochure sections 3 and 4

  by DS211 in

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  2. beliefs

  section 3 first!.

  how was bible truth rediscovered?.

  it goes in to the section and explains that false teachers were foretold to arise after jesus died (and the apostles died according to one conment).

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  Jan

  The study Watchtowers are available for anyone to download on the JW.org website so aren't hidden but are not given out on ministry.

  The public Watchtower is for ministry only and not studied at meetings. What you saw was not a Watchtower but a brochure. It's confusing I know!
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  Who are doing Jehovahs will" Brochure sections 3 and 4

  by DS211 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  section 3 first!.

  how was bible truth rediscovered?.

  it goes in to the section and explains that false teachers were foretold to arise after jesus died (and the apostles died according to one conment).

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  Jan,

  This is from a brochure being studied at the midweek meeting, not a Watchtower magazine which is studied on a Sunday.

  The Sunday study Watchtower is for JWs only, this brochure is for 'starting bible studies' with potential converts. JWs are studying this brochure to help familiarise themselves with the content for use on their ministry.
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  Why are they so quick to shun?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  cedars story made me wonder why are parents and loved ones so quick to shun??

  i mean it can be shown biblically that only people that do not believe in jesus as the messiah are apostates.

  thessalonians tells us to keep admonishing one as a 'brother' and jesus christ himself said to love your enemies.

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  CONTROL.
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  Is JW Baptism the Only Valid Baptism?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the watchtower bible and tract societys view on baptism?

  is it absolutely essential that one be baptized to gain eternal life in gods kingdom?.

  and can they tell you who you can and cant baptize?.

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  Laika

  Hi Cold Steel:

  Again, a doctrine in search of a reference. I don’t often read the Watchtower, but from my reading of the New Testament, baptism is the doorway to salvation. “He who believeth and is baptized shall be saved,” the Lord said. Those who “believe not” (and, consequently, are not baptized) shall be damned.”

  This could be a problem for the evangelicals (baptism is only a symbol!?) but less so for the JWs. They think the scripture you quoted is a later edition and has been removed from their recently revised New World Translation.

  How they explain this: Jesus said you must be born again of water and spirit to enter the Kingdom of heaven. Only the anointed go to heaven, and only the anointed are born again, so all anointed must be baptised. However, there are many who are saved who are not baptised, such as the pre-Jesus faithful Israelites and the thief on the cross (stake!) so this must mean baptism is not a requirement for the non-anointed. Thus Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the thief etc... are all going to live on the Paradise Earth.

  The real question, imo, is why non-anointed JWs are required to do baptism but not allowed to do communion, since the purpose of each sacrament seems to be the same to me.

  and if it disfellowships (excommunicates) a member and doesn’t have the keys of loosing in Heaven or Earth, then why fear being disfellowshiped?

  Well, I think we tend to fear disfellowshipping because our JW friends and family believe in the authority of the elders and act on it with shunning, not because we believe in their authority. However, JWs do apply Matthew 18:18 to disfellowshipping and reinstatement, and claim Jehovah supports the decisions of the elders based on this text. (They don't apply it to baptisms as far as I'm aware)

  Hope this helps! Can I ask some questions now please?

  If Mormons still have apostles do they have confession and absolution (based on John 20:23)? Am I right in saying mormons believe Peter, James and John are still alive and wandering the Earth or is this is a myth like the 'magic' underwear? And if so, how come your leaders haven't included them in the Mormon group of 12 apostles?
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  Atheists know more about the bible!

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly minted atheist, she uses her youversion bible app to try to persuade people away from the christianity she grew up in.. .

  i know of a lot of atheists who have come to their nonbelief by actually reading the bible rather than just the fluffy stories they choose to tell you about in church, she said.

  reading the full story with all its contradictions and violence and sexism, it should make you think, is this really what i believe in?

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  Laika

  Cofty:

  It is beyond my understanding how anybody can believe that collection of books is anything but a work of superstitious humans.

  Erm... I hate to be the one to break this to you mate, but you believed that for most of your life.