Ah, is that so flame grilled? I thought it was men study with men and women with women, has this changed or did I make it up?
Thanks for the correction.
Posts by Laika
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10Free Bible Study or Indoctrination Session?
by VM44 in...and are the jws forthcoming at the start what the "study" really is?.
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Challenge to Athiests - is Religion a Pox on Mankind?
by jgnat ini've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
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Laika
Interesting Jgnat. I'm not schizophrenic and I still find reality a tenuous thing for me. Certainty worries me, I don't think I've been certain of anything since I left the JWs, at least not for long. (Edit: not that I'm comparing my problems to your son's btw!)
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Challenge to Athiests - is Religion a Pox on Mankind?
by jgnat ini've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
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Laika
Jgnat - Wow. Do you think the voice was god/divine?
Q - how would you enforce that law? Doesn't seem to be working in China btw.
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Free Bible Study or Indoctrination Session?
by VM44 in...and are the jws forthcoming at the start what the "study" really is?.
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They're done alone as well, even spouses are split into separate studies, so you're less likely to spot problems.
They'd never run something like an Alpha course, built around group discussion, anyone can attend and ask any questions. They'd be terrified of the questions.
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I'm Returing To Become A Jehovah's Witness Again
by Space Madness ina little background, i faded in 2007 and have been out ever since.
i started studying at 18 and have no jw realitives.
i'm returing because my life is heading in the wrong direction.
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Laika
I hope you find what you're looking for. Please come back here and talk it out if you still feel unfulfilled.
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Challenge to Athiests - is Religion a Pox on Mankind?
by jgnat ini've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
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Jgnat
Since you've brought up subjective experience, I recall reading in the archives that you thought God had called you out of an abusive relationship. How does your more skeptical self interpret this experience now?
Feel free to ignore if the question is too personal. :/
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Why I am upset with myself for my atheistic beliefs
by confusedandalone inyesterday me and the wife were talking about how much better life has become.
she said something that got me thinking and made me a bit sad for a while.
we were discussing where we are at individually in our quest for understanding about the "super-natural" and i expressed i have no belief in it at all and how much i have changed she says, "i don't think you have changed much.
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Laika
Sure CAA, that's great, but my point was that I think we're all hypocrites to some extent, probably not as much as when we were JWs, but it's still there. Learning to be ok with this is an important part of the exit process, I think.
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Why I am upset with myself for my atheistic beliefs
by confusedandalone inyesterday me and the wife were talking about how much better life has become.
she said something that got me thinking and made me a bit sad for a while.
we were discussing where we are at individually in our quest for understanding about the "super-natural" and i expressed i have no belief in it at all and how much i have changed she says, "i don't think you have changed much.
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Laika
If you're going to get angry at yourself for acting hypocritically/dishonestly, being an atheist (or anything else for that matter) is not going to solve this.
Allow yourself some inconsistency, you'll feel much better.
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Laika
This thread made me lol. :)
A discussion on the future of evolution is very interesting, trying to turn it into a discussion about x-men is more funny than interesting.
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Challenge to Athiests - is Religion a Pox on Mankind?
by jgnat ini've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
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Laika
Great thread, I'm looking forward to the discussion. :)
I think a lot of people take a kind of comfort from feeling better than others, so that it's not enough to find something that makes sense and works for you, but you also need to convince yourself that your worldview makes you both intellectually and morally superior to those who don't share it. This is how you get the kind of ridiculous statements from theists such as that atheists who don't believe are just people who 'want to live in sin'. Or vice versa where otherwise brilliant atheists will make the ridiculous claim that religious people who do good things are doing them in spite of religion, not because of it, yet when they do bad things it's because of religious faith, not in spite of it.
This is not directed at anyone specific btw, lest anyone here thinks I'm attacking them!