So, if I get this right, "JWs don't let their children die over the blood issue" but instead "the children show their loyalty to Jehovah and obey his laws...then die". Sounds like a classic "distinctions without a difference".
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Jw's don't let their kids die because of blood...
by freemindfade inanother nauseating detail i remember from saturdays program.
there is a video (one of so many) shaming young people for being afraid to admit they are jw's.
one australian girl talks about how one of her teachers was saying jw's let their children die over the blood issue (fact) and she goes on to say how that is not true.
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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?
by cofty inthe children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.
he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.
if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.
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cofty - So if the court asked the relatives of the murder victims what should be done they would say let him go free would they?
Good point. In the US all that the relatives, etc. of the victims can do is testify at their sentencing. If he is declared guilty, they have the opportunity to provide testimony on whether, for example, they should impose on him a harsh (in some cases a reduced) sentence.
As far as forgiveness goes, I think in this case the only people who ultimate have the right to forgive (or not) are the direct victims of the crime. That man killed the only people who I think had the ultimate authority to forgive him.
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Convention Tomorrow...
by freemindfade inkill me.... it's hard to put into words just how badly i do no want to sit through this 3 days of bull $hit.
i will appreciate any and all words of condolence, humorous, serious, or otherwise.
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Open up whatever mobile device/laptop you can or use a legal pad. Pretend you are taking notes. Start this sentence "June 19, 2015 was the last Jehovah's Witnesses Convention I ever attended. And, this is what happened next...". Start writing the story of your life from tomorrow on. Who knows? Maybe it will someday be a bestseller. I'd sure would buy a copy. -
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Religious explanation for suffering vs church shootings
by Simon inwhenever there is a discussion about the "godness" of god and whether he can be described as both "good" and "all powerful" given that he could avoid untold suffering and death for millions of people in earthquakes, floods, tidal waves and other disasters we are often given the same answer:.
"you don't know why he lets it happen but he has a plan".. bleh.
often they throw in some snippets that suggest the people may actually deserve it for not praying to the right god or not praying hard enough.. of course it's easy to dismiss the death of all those faceless unknown people.. so, i present to you a new thought experiment for the righteous to grapple with.. i dare you to use the same arguments to explain the deaths of the people in the recent church shooting.. were they not praying hard enough?
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Well, let me put on my JW hat from 25 years ago...At the time, on reading the news, I probably would have noted their deaths in passing as a confirmation that the world is getting worse and worse, which is great, because it would mean the "end is near". I probably would have not empathized with their loss and suffering because as far as I was concerned, they should have been "in the Truth" and at a Kingdom Hall. In short, I would have done victim-blaming.
I was a horrible person then. After leaving the JWs, I now have a better appreciation of life and how precious and valuable it is. I hope I can do better now. And, when I read the news, my reaction this time was different than it would have been in the past. This time, I truly empathized with their loss in a deep way as opposed to using their loss as a way to validate my faith.
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No no No No NO! Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT COOL NOW!
by TerryWalstrom inthey obviously know it.. in the last few years, a more modern, hip, and cool image for their brand has been foisted on the public at large.. jw.org.
(sidebar: a group of us witnesses, when i was a teen, were sternly lectured by a circuit servant about how wrong it was to refer to ourselves as jw's.want to know why?
he said, "reducing jehovah's name to mere letters of an alphabet is blasphemy!
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OG-JW...'Stay alive, till 75...'
They are not cool. They will never be cool. They are just trying stunt after undignified stunt to appear normal to others and themselves. To me they just appear awkward, anachronistic, and sad.
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Convention Tomorrow...
by freemindfade inkill me.... it's hard to put into words just how badly i do no want to sit through this 3 days of bull $hit.
i will appreciate any and all words of condolence, humorous, serious, or otherwise.
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My pleasure, freemindfade... Here is one you might be able to use... (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/pdf/FallaciesPoster24x36.pdf) -
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Convention Tomorrow...
by freemindfade inkill me.... it's hard to put into words just how badly i do no want to sit through this 3 days of bull $hit.
i will appreciate any and all words of condolence, humorous, serious, or otherwise.
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I do not envy you...
I would take a list of the most popular logical fallacies and try to start counting them. Maybe make a bingo game out of it.
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Re: Music at Theocratic Events
by pixel inthis is a crappy letter from the watchtower.
i'm only posting it to show how micro-managers these fools are.
and at the end, they say: "we should avoid making specific rules about somewhat technical matters".
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LOL! Great posts.
Jehovah's Witnesses...the most anal-retentive people in all of unexplored space. "Straining the gnat and gulping the camel" for over 100 years...
Sometimes I wonder if all of the GB members were toilet-trained at gunpoint.
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Why don’t we have a better story?
by iconoclastic in1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..
2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..
3. universe arose out of a big bang.
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Iconoclastic,
StrongHaiku,
You say “a human can or cannot make a "human hand"' still says nothing about evolution or the argument for God.”
That is correct. Because the proposition "Humans can/cannot make a hand (today)" is a different proposition that "Only God can make a hand" or "Evolution is currently the best explanation for how a human hand emerged." Notice that there are 3 different "entities" being addressed. Each of these proposition must stand on their own merit and evidence.
Yes it speaks against evolution, as such sophistication will not come from lower forms (or species)
I respectfully disagree. And, the term "sophistication" is not well-defined and requires quantification. We make some very "sophisticated things" that exceed nature in a number of ways (e.g. airplanes vs birds). We have plenty of examples where we not only match, improve, but sometimes exceed nature.
I think maybe the fact that most of our improvements are based on inorganic matter and often use processes different than nature, that this may be keeping you from seeing the work in the organic areas. If that is the case, you would be surprised on what is being done with creating/printing organs from organic matter, improving on bacteria and virus to do our bidding, and on, and on...
[at a time super-intelligent humans now with all the computer advancement simply fail to even duplicate the dexterity of human hands]
Yes! You got it, "now". You are only looking at our current state and time. Imagine going back a few hundred years ago. Can you imagine what people then would think of what you would say about antibiotics, computers, airplanes, cellphones, etc.? The stuff in your head would either have made you look like a god or gotten you burned at the stake. And, if we can survive becoming an "evolutionary cul-de-sac" we may get to do more amazing things.
There was a time long ago only the "Gods" could fly, make electricity, cure people, etc. However, I get the feeling that it doesn't matter. If we built a human hand (organic or inorganic) I think it would be replaced with another "thing we can't yet make".
When information is lengthened as far as possible (as happened in the case of theory of evolution), you are lost in the ocean of information and you are forced to feel this may be true.Not sure whether you are trying to make the "information and thermodynamics" argument or whether you are saying that you are overwhelmed with the "ocean of information". If it's the latter, I can understand that. The amount of information and evidence for evolution can sometimes be dense but there a some books that present the subject of evolution in an accessible manner.
When you shorten the information to its essence, as I did in my original post, you will see clearly, what is possible and what is not possible, and what is true and what is false.
No sure what you mean. Sorry.
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What was your eye opening moment?
by WasOnceBlind inif you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.
i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.
i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.
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Twitch, your story absolutely resonated with me. I think part of the reason I "woke up" is because I started living, associating, and loving some wonderful people the JWs would have categorized as "bird food". I would rather throw in my lot with many of the people I have had the privilege to know and love in the "world".