previously, we considered what might go on at a judicial meeting.now, let's see what the reinstatement process entails.
let's use the example of fornication.
you have been disfellowshipped for this sin and now you want to seek reinstatement.
I was speaking with another ex-jw recently who told me that a df'd person in his territory had approached the elders with a view to being reinstated and was advised at the meeting that she was now reinstated and that it would be announced at the next service meeting!!!
my ex-jw friend reckons that the number of publishes has dwindled over the past couple of years and the elders are desperate to get the numbers up!
DUO
so many here do not believe in god, now.
some are not sure he exists.
if you never had been a jehovah's witness, do you think that you might still believe in a creator, in god?
Before I was a JW I believed in god, now, I just don't know, I don't even like to think about things like that anymore...
DUO
the active jw's watching tv tonight will be surprised when they see themselves in the spotlight.
how do you think the average jw will react when watching the program?
will they think that it's all lies, or do you think they will believe a good part of it?
the good active ones won't watch it, my ex-mother in law (stunch JW) unplugged the TV when a program was viewed in her country and she refused to let any members of her household (all non-JW's or df'ed) to watch it.
elders will be doing a shepharding call in 10 minutes...why we have not attended meetings in so long.
i want nothing to do with the organization anymore....pray for me that i can keep my strength against them!
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Jacqueline
Well done, keep strong.
I found this forum the most valuable thing when I was going throught a whole heap of problems.
Take care and know that you are can still be a good person without being a JW!!!!
DUO
personally i love thongs but only in summer or when i'm going out.
for my thunder i prefer the form fitting boxer style yummmmmy .
my son loves the boxer boxer he wears the form fitting boxer then the loose colorful one over those then his jeans <can you say over kill>.
I love my man's.... a-la natural.... free as a bird.... providing quick and easy access...... oh yeah!!
this is just a general question for anyone who might have some legal background on the matter.. if (and i expect there will be) an announcement is made to our former congregation that we are "disassociated", can i just go ahead and sue them (individual elders in the congregation) for slander and defamation of character?
the decision to make the announcement is one that has to go through the body of elders, right??.
is it necessary, when the elders come calling, to say "i will sue the shirt off your back and the bloomers off your @$$ if you make any announcement that slanders my name or defames my character to anyone"??
The Org would have a large file on responses to threats to sue for d'f and would provide the cong' concerned with information to handle most situations. I think defamation would be hard to prove and would depend on what the law of the land is in your country.
I have thought though that instead of suing for defamation and a like, take it a step backwards, in that your membership in the Borg in the first place was based on deception and misrepresentation. Had the elders/org been completely open and not only offered information in relation to the Org and its teachings (all its teachings, old and new) on any subject you might want to know about, but also provided you with all history of the organisation and demonstrated without restraint the consequences of various actions, your decision to join may have been different. Had the Borg disclosed all information to potential members, including failed prophesy, double standards for different parts of the world, sloppy organisational administration etc etc again your decision to join might have been different.
Given that once you start studying and learn that to read information about the Borg from an external source is not allowed, the onus is place even more strongly on the Borg to provide it themselves, all of it, or else how can a completely informed decision be made by the potential member. Now not only is the Borg responsible for selective information being made available to the student, so to are the elders, personally. They are individually responsible as well! They would have such information in their possession and choose not to disclose it to students. So maybe not only could the Borg be responsible for and guilty of deception and misrepresentation and even gaining membership under false pretences, so too are the elders concerned personally.
Just a thought!
bushfires have been raging around sydney for the past 2 days.
high temperatures (30c+) plus blustery hot winds have fanned fires all around my city.
the reason for this is that although the central business district of sydney and neighbouring suburbs are purely metropolitan, the outlying suburbs are surrounded by bushland, and many areas naturally have plenty of vegetation.
Prisca
Take care hon, there is always room at my place in Melbourne if you want to escape the smoke for a bit. Be careful and let us know if you need anything.
DUO
do you believe that the gb members, and the wt writers are consciously aware of their dishonesty and deceit?
i really can't imagine, after reading so many of their articles and books, that the manipulation is by chance.
it's one thing to really believe what you are writing will help people and try to maintain authority when doing so, but i've found too many examples of outright verbal abuse.
Hi Gig
I know what you mean. I have thought about this subject many times. Id like to think that initially their goal was good, to find out the truth and to make it known. But as we see so many times in politics, big business and alike, when a power base grows it tends to bread greed, and the need for more power.
Instead of admitting their faults they choose to cover them up and as the deception grew so did the concealment. I would truly like to think that the GB honestly believes in their work, and that they are directed by god, but really, how can an individual justify and reconcile the back flips and conduct contrary to their own guidelines and still maintain their integrity.
Its a sad state of affairs, generally in big business and politics they eventually get caught out and exposed. However, because the GB is a "closed shop" and is not subject to (I dont think) any independent regulatory organisation, their dishonesty may take longer or maybe not at all to be uncovered.
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not going to the meetings anymore, do you still feel the need to read god's word?
edited by - jh on 5 december 2002 14:52:45.
No, I do not know if I believe in a god either, I think I am still in a stunned state after coming out of the borg, I shy away from anything religious at the moment. Still in a transition stage I think
DUO
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may god have mercy on them.
because i wont.edited by - refiners fire on 29 november 2002 19:13:7.
Hey refiners, do you have a web cam, maybe we all could study with them!!!1
