i havent seen any threads regarding your situation as of late.
have things been resolved?
i hope everything is working out!.
Yizman, are you kidding?
What part of this very conpassionate and concerned message could be taken as poking fun at you? You are far too sensitive.I havent seen any threads regarding your situation as of late. Have things been resolved? I hope everything is working out!
Agape,
Eric
they confronted the elder who served in his investigation who said he would not talk on camera but instead sent a letter that said since mike was 17 when he came to them they did not have to report.
bill.
bill,.
Just for clarification here are the words of Ray Franz himself, as presented to this forum by Amazing. Blondie, Ray himself admits to authoring the chaper regarding the two witness rules and says that he repeated the inspired instructions from the Bible.
Why are you angry at Bill Bowen for simply making a point? Why does a simple setence is an extremely long post show that his main concern is fighting with Ray Franz? I think Bill has done and continues to do a tremensous job for you and all Silentlambs and every time he mentions the name of ray Franz does not mean anything more than we choose to let it mean.
As related in the book Crisis of Conscience, I was assigned to write a chapter in the manual titled Organization for Kingdom Preaching and Disciple-Making dealing with the handling of judicial hearings. The fact is that in that material I simply repeated the words written by the inspired Apostle Paul at 1 Timothy 5:19 when he says: "Never accept any accusation against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses." Paul quite evidently was drawing upon the provision in the Mosaic Law at Deuteronomy 19:15 which states: "A single witness shall not suffice to convict a person of any crime or wrongdoing in connection with any offense that may be committed. Only on the evidence of two or three witnesses shall a charge be sustained." Christ Jesus himself referred to this "two or three witnesses" principle. (Matthew 18:16) And his apostle, Paul, not only wrote it to Timothy but also included it in his second letter to the Corinthian congregation.2 Corinthians 13:1.
What I wrote back in 1972 has now been portrayed by the Silent Lambs source as being the basis for the Watch Towers twisted policy regarding the handling of child molestation cases. If so, then Paul, and Christ himself, as well as Moses who first set out the principle, bear similar responsibility since I was being guided by and quoting from their teachings. And, if we accept the divine inspiration of what they taught and wrote, then the slur conveyed by this charge must reach back to God himself. Paul makes plain that he knew what it was to have his statements and teachings distorted so as to convey something completely at odds with his intent. As he writes at Romans 3:8: "And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say) Let us do evil so that good may come? Their condemnation is deserved."
i tried to figure out a way to do this anonymously, because i really hate looking stupid.
well, this stupid anyway!
but you see, i'm not really much of an internet person.
DILLIGAF - What does it mean?
do any of you remember when they used to call the brothers and sisters by their first name from the platform?
the organization was much smaller then and much more intimate than it is today and since we were all "friends" we called each other by our first names even from the platform.. well all that changed one day.
the way i heard it was that some sister whose husband was not in the truth persuaded him to attend the meeting with her one day.
Do any of you remember when they used to call the brothers and sisters by their first name from the platform? The organization was much smaller then and much more intimate than it is today and since we were all "friends" we called each other by our first names even from the platform.
Well all that changed one day. The way I heard it was that some sister whose husband was not in the truth persuaded him to attend the meeting with her one day. When she raised her hand during the meeting to answer a question, the brother conducting the meeting called on her by her first name. Hubby went ballistic and said that since his wife was a married woman he did not want other men to be so familiar with her and he wanted her addressed as Mrs. So and So or Sister So and So and not by her first name. Ever since then it became a rule to call each other Brother and Sister So ad So from the platform.
I am not really sure that this is all true. Does anyone else know anything about this?
There is only ONE race here on earth. Human.
i have often wondered why the bible students did not pursue a lawsuit against j.f.
davies, auerbach & cornell.
davies, auerbach and cornell.
RR. have you ever seen a copy of the book written by Russell's wife called THE TWAIN ONE? Do you know where I can get a copy?
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
You can prove the foundation and than one has to work from there. Faith is important but a solid empirical foundation must exist first. (I do not want to get burned as I and many of did with the Witnesses)
Jerry,
If you ever find a religion, or know of one now, that falls within the framework of your outline above, please so inform me as I would like to immediately sign up.
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
Jerry,
If I said the heart pumps blood, and you said that is your opinion, I could prove it to you by experiment if you were willing to look into it. The key is provable fact, not opinion.
The problem with your example is that the heart is a tangible object, thereby lending itself to experimentation to determine its true functions. Most religious beliefs are based on faith, speculation and heresay, none of which can be proved, scientifically or othewise.
For instance, you can probably prove scientifically that Jesus was a man, a Jew and walked the earth. So what? Was he really the son of God? Is there a scientific experiment that can prove that?
here is the url to the hlc letter the society sent to the boe.
i edited a few lines to preserve identity.. http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/doinmypart/fullsize/hlc+letter.pdf.
here is the url to the society talk outline dealing with the yearly no blood topic.. http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/doinmypart/fullsize/noblood_mtg.pdf.
I would really like to read this information but cannot seem to open the files posted. Would someone please post the information here? Thanx.
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
And we may find that some are valid, others invalid
According to whom? Who gets to be the judge? You? Me? Or is it between the individual and their God? I believe the latter to be true.
Edited by - Gary1914 on 22 December 2002 18:7:38
