"Skyman, I find parts of your post hard to believe, especially anyone saying they would commit murder because the WTS told them to." Fairmind, I on the other hand find it very easy to believe. Of course, the organization would not use the phrase "commit murder". They would couch it in some softer phrase that the members could understand. I have also heard brothers say things like Skyman described, such as if the society says that your right hand is your left, then it is your left. If the society says that my black shoes are red, then they are red. Of course not everyone would be so foolish, but there are people who would gladly do anything the society asks of them including commit murder. After all, these people let their children and loved ones die in the name of obeying orders from Jehovah and are happy about it.
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The WBTS really is a dangerous organization
by pratt1 in.
it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.
also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?
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The LETTER Posted at all Kingdom Halls
by Apostate Kate in.
i know someone here must know about the letter and there is a thread somewhere.
can someone link me to that thread either in pm or here on the new letter posted in all the kingdom halls about them admitting they are not inspired etc ... thank you!
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I was at the Kingdom Hall today and no such letter was posted on the Bulletin Board. In fact, I can say with some certainty that I have not heard of any such letter. Besides, it sure does not sound like the type of letter that would be posted for not only the witnesses, but the public, to see!
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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"Now-a-days, many prospective Witness converts get a library of anti-Witness books, including those written by Ex-Witnesses. Many of them still accept the true Jesus of the Bible and believe the WTS is teaching the truth, although it may take them longer to be convinced."
Now Gary, I believe "indoctrinated" would be a more appropriate term than "convinced". lol
"Many of them still accept the true Jesus of the Bible and believe the WTS is teaching the truth."......and still many more of them do not believe in the WTS and believe that its teachings are bogus and so do not become witnesses, or if they do they do not remain in the organization for long.
I see, David, that you like to equate a person's profession and educational level as proof of the validity of the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. I have seen other do that too. After all, if this incredibly smart person with oh, so many degrees, accepts it as the truth, why it must be the truth!
Please note that while a person may be gifted intellectually there are many that are stunted emotionally and this is where the Witnesses come in. Because for all their "educational work" and scripture sprouting and dates and charts, it is the emotions that they are after. This means that those who appear so wise to us may indeed be ready to succumb to the seductive lure of life everlasting on a paradise earth, to salivate after the dangling carrot of never having to die that is just before them.
David, I am just a simple man, with a simple life. I don't know many things for sure, but I do know that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is corrupt at its core. Corrupt in ways that you cannot begin to imagine and I pray that one day you will see it too.
However, you, like many others probably need on some level the structure that the Watchtower offers. This is not a bad thing. We are all individuals and we are all seeking something or other. Anyway, the witnesses will keep you busy and off the streets!
Just one more thing. I note that you use the JW definition of the word "apostacy" as meaning anyone who leaves the WT organization on their own volition. I have contact Merriam Webster dictionary and informed them of this new use of the word by JW's and have suggested that it be added as a sub-meaning along with the core meaning. I have not heard back from them yet, but it has only been a couple of weeks.
By the way, just because a person writes an anti-watchtower book does not mean that he no longer believes in God and that he does not accept Jesus Christ as his saviour.
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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David2002 said:
"You are speculating that problem is widespread. From elders I spoke to, as well as others, it is a very tiny percentage." Actually, you are wrong. I am an elder and my brother is a District Overseer. He has privy to information that those of us on the elder level do not have access to. The problem of sexual perversion involving children is actually a large one among Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide and it is growing exponentially. The Society is doing its best to keep this as quiet as it is possible to do. That is why people who speak out against it and who go to the media are disfellowshipped. They do not want other witnesses talking to them and finding out how extensive the problem really is. You seem like a sincere and well meaning fellow and you are not afraid to read literature and visit websites that are critical of JWs. I respect that. It is only by being fully informed that any of us can make good choices. The Watchtower shows a complete lack of respect for its members by not allowing them to explore and question what they are being taught. If their teachings were indeed the Truth, they would not shy away from its scrutiny.
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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I spoke about the paradise earth, something they have never appear to hear of.
Oh yes, this is how they get them. Poor people with little education or people with problems will grab on to living in a Paradise Earth and they won't let go! Living in a Paradise Earth is the carrot dangling in front of every witness prompting them to be obedient and to listen to the demented ravings a group of old men whose only real concern is the bottom line of their corporation, instead of the Bible.
David, they never heard of it because this concept is not taught in the Bible. The Bible is one of those books that will say whenever you want it to say, and the Paradise Earth is an example of this.
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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However, the secular press has take note of the Witnesses charible works.
Well, now you are just being naive. The Watchtower organization employs public relations people and every time they do something good, a press release is issued so that everybody will see what an outstanding, christian organization they are. The secular press sometimes takes note when they are asked to. They do not respond to as many press releases as the Watchtower would want. They love the press when it is reporting something good about themAdversely, whenever the press reports something negative about them, they are not to be believed and they are working with Satan the Devil to persecute them.
Curious, wouldn't you say?
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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David2002 wrote:
Sometimes for instance, a drug addicted or alchoholic, is trying to better their lives. They go to therapy. But still that does not really help........
David, we are all individuals and as such we respond to different methods. Some people with addictions respond to AA or psychiatry. Yes, some even respond to therapy. Some respond to a religion and some respond to Jehovah's Witnesses. Not all, Not most, just some.
It has always been curious to me why witnesses think that just because some people respond to their message and straighten out their lives, they use this to proclaim that ALL persons with problems respond to the witnesses. This is just not true.
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Spokesman-Review article "Cut off by Faith"
by Mr Rocky inhttp://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?id=96267.
i posted this yesterday in friends but it never showed up in friends.
without a link it died a very fast death in active topics.
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The elder in the congregation made it sound as if Linda and Joel were murderers or something as horrible. What the heck did they do anyway? Does questioning your religion make you wicked? When you have doubts you want to use others as a sounding board but the witnesses will not let you do that. They are afraid that their religious beliefs will not stand scrutiny, otherwise there would be no problem in discussing your doubts with others. The truth that they alledgedly have should be able to withstand any amount of questioning without having the questioner summoned to a judicial meeting.
It was mentioned that the Watchtower says that the disfellowshipped are welcome to come back if they repent. Repent from what? I could perhaps see the point if they did indeed commit wicked acts like rape or stealing or murder. But questioning a religion should never be considered a disfellowshipping offense.
Which brings me to the whole question of disfellowing in general. I believe the scriptures are telling us to use our good sense. If someone is a liar or a fornicator or a thief, I don't need an organization to tell me that maybe this person is not good company. I would stay away from this person on my own. I would speak to him, assist him if he needed help but I would probably not seek his company out. I know how to choose friends for myself, I am an adult, and I do not need an announcement in the Kingdom Hall to tell me who to stay away from. I would to be able to judge for myself who I want to be friends with and who I consider to be merely acquaintances. Besides, sometimes it seems to me that the most evil persons in the Hall are those that we don't suspect and who are grinning at us and praying for us at every meeting.
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2006 Male & Female Police Officers Calendar.........A MUST See!!!
by Frannie Banannie in.
yall've gotta see this one....they're all nude!!!.
http://www.richstevens.com/naked.swf
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ha, ha, very funny..........
I still tried to click through......
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2005 Service Report.Where are The Angels?
by Blueblades inwith all the responses about the 2005 service report showing a loss in many areas, i was thinking about the angels that the watchtower teaches about, on how they are out in the field service with the preachers of the good news.. i guess from the report that even the angels have given up working in the door to door work, field service etc.
when was the last time the watchtower printed anything on the support of the angels out in the field service?.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses come across a person who had only recently prayed to God for help in finding the truth. Such experiences occur far too often to be dismissed as mere coincidences
This is an incredibly stupid statement. But many people claim that they were praying for spiritual help when they saw a preacher on television or they were walking by a church and then their life changed. No big deal. The fact that it happens to some people who were contacted by JW's is just that, a simple coincidence.