Thank-you for sharing this wonderful line of reasoning...and I also agree that punctuation is overrated!!!!!...when you've got something great to share it's just best to get it all out
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Posts by Vee
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10some comforting thoughts
by nelly1 in.
i was thinking about jesus and how the bible says he is the exact representation of jehovahs very being, and u know what it is nothing like these awful so called christians, and i was thinking jesus himself had to abandon his own religion because its leaders were gross hypocrites and treating his sheep like dirt, so he left it and condemned it and he to as a result was severly shunned and u could say dissed in a form because they denounced him as having anything to do with jehovah if u remember, and he was persecuted also by these leaders just like the ones who leave the organisation today they too are persecuted by the so called true religion so it is coming further and more clear to me as days go by if we look further below the surface we see that he the only begotton son king of gods kingdom went through exactly what we are going through he was abused called a liar they said he was a seditionist the list goes on and he too had an illegal trial ( could be called a judicial) by the religious leaders of his day and his sentance was death, and we know that the jews were his chosen people we dont know that the wtbs is.!!!
!..now that i think about all this stuff it is such a comfort to me, as so many are experiencing illegal trials at the hands of the elders(pharissees) and i know this because i was one of them i had a illegal trial where lies were told just like poor jesus, so he of all people knows only too well what these dear brothers and sisters have suffered, and i beleive with all my heart that he will pay back to those ones they have no future, and one day we will have the happiness we deserve at his hand and anyone else who deserves to including all of you every last one whos heart is right and loves jesus and the creator, i know he will not forget any of us and what we have suffered, jesus was for the underdog not the high and mighty proud know it alls, so take heart and hang in there.... lots of love nelly
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What Did You Give Up To Be A Jehovah's Witness?
by minimus inbesides giving up our time and assets,is there anything that you particularly felt that you truly "gave up" to become or remain a witness?
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Vee
I could probably come up with a whole lot of things that my parents forfeited on my behalf when they decided the best thing they could do for me would be to raise me in the borg from 2y/o, but I don't know if I want.
Alls I do know, is that from the point I decided to leave the borg I knew that whatever I have made of my life, my thoughts, opinions, successes from that point on were all of my own accord. Although I do get down when I see that I have lost so much time and have been set back many years in ways like personal development, education and just the "normal" fascets of life that most take for granted, I feel an incredible sense of pride and achievement that I have pretty much always done it on my own. As crazy as it sounds I feel as though I may almost be a more rounded person for being successfully on the way to throwing off the twisted miserable repressive upbringing that I had. As for loosing my family, well I know now that I never really had them in the unconditional sense.
What I do more than anything in hindsight (not that a 2y/o is blessed with looking back in hindsight) is that I was forced to live in fear for so long and was denied the Mental Freedom and peace to just be myself, the individual that I was born. I sat in judgement of myself for so long about things which were nothing, things healthy teenagers go through (although there is no doubt that many of the things JW teenagers do are simply because of a lack of education or naiivety, repression or rebellion).
So for me as hard as it is not to look back in anger, I am trying to stay as focused as possible on the future and what I build for myself. Luv V**
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What Did You Give Up To Be A Jehovah's Witness?
by minimus inbesides giving up our time and assets,is there anything that you particularly felt that you truly "gave up" to become or remain a witness?
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Vee
I could probably come up with a whole lot of things that my parents forfeited on my behalf when they decided the best thing they could do for me would be to raise me in the borg from 2y/o, but I don't know if I want.
Alls I do know, is that from the point I decided to leave the borg I knew that whatever I have made of my life, my thoughts, opinions, successes from that point on were all of my own accord. Although I do get down when I see that I have lost so much time and have been set back many years in ways like personal development, education and just the "normal" fascets of life that most take for granted, I feel an incredible sense of pride and achievement that I have pretty much always done it on my own. As crazy as it sounds I feel as though I may almost be a more rounded person for being successfully on the way to throwing off the twisted miserable repressive upbringing that I had. As for loosing my family, well I know now that I never really had them in the unconditional sense.
What I do more than anything in hindsight (not that a 2y/o is blessed with looking back in hindsight) is that I was forced to live in fear for so long and was denied the Mental Freedom and peace to just be myself, the individual that I was born. I sat in judgement of myself for so long about things which were nothing, things healthy teenagers go through (although there is no doubt that many of the things JW teenagers do are simply because of a lack of education or naiivety, repression or rebellion).
So for me as hard as it is not to look back in anger, I am trying to stay as focused as possible on the future and what I build for myself.
Luv V**
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An exJW gets one pregnant
by bluemoon ini'm relatively new here and this site has helped me a lot.
however, i think i'm going to need more help... i was dfed back in july just after my 18th birthday; i just couldn't take it any more.
things have been very hard for me to say the least.
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Vee
Dear Bluemoon,
It's an incredibly tough situation you're in, but it isn't the end of the world, you will get through it.
I left the org for the first time when I was 17 and was in a relationship for a year. During that period I thought I was pregnant several times and I was very messed up about the decisions that I would have to face up to if I was positive, decisions that I just wasn't ready to face so young. So you're not alone, so many of us were in similar situations as you once.
It's difficult for you to be logical right now, but one thing you have to realise is that you aren't going to be in control of all the decisisions. You're possibly in a better situation than your GF since you are out of the org, and have had more time to deal with the shunning and rejection. Your GF has so many decisions ahead of her, and all ones that will need to make quickly.
The truth is that even if you weren't raised in a JW family and were 17 and pregnant this alone would be a difficult thing to have to cope with, even non-JW families are too happy when their 17 & 18 y/o children are having children. Your situations are especially difficult because you may not as yet have formed your own personal beliefs on things like abortion. And your GF probably isn't ready yet to give up her family in the way that you were forced to. The comments that have been made about living up to your committments is absolutely true. It's too late now for regrets you just have to do the best you can with the current situation. No matter what decisions you make you will be forced to deal with them indefinitely, either physcially or psycologically. You will be much more honorable to yourself and also to the people such as your family who have cast you out if you stand by your GF in her decisions. Unfortunately as unfair as it may seem your GF is possibly faced with the biggest decisions, things which ultimately you may not be able to influence. But if you offer her your full support she will have all the options available to her.
I really feel for you both and the very difficult situation you're forced to deal with, on top of all that you have had to bare with growing up in the org. It is an incredibly common situation you find yourselves in amongst teenages in the org. If only the org were realisitc and not repressive, many situations like yours could have been avoided. But if you be true to yourself about your thoughts and feelings and what you can handle, you will be much stronger and a better person for it in the long run.
I wish you all the best, please keep in touch...luv V**
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bad songs
by freedom96 in.
i was reading a post that reminded me of the songs that were popular but was wrong to listen to for various reasons.. we all remember puff the magic dragon being about drugs, which i hear was just a rumour.. another i remember was let it be by the beatles, which was " catholic based about mary the mother of jesus" when apparently it was written about paul mccartney's own mother.
shows what they know.. which songs do you remember that were "bad" that we were not supposed to listen to?
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"Bye bye Miss American Pie"...the bit about dancing with the devil?!?! Can't actually remember all the song words, must have blocked them out!!!!!
V**
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I'm so excited!!!
by Vee ini've just found out that my application for volunteering in ghana has been accepted!!
i can't tell you how much i'm really looking forward to this challenge.. i've recently moved to london in the hope that i would be able to pick up some project work in the 3rd world country.
i registered with www.workingabroad.com who fitted out my profile with 80 prospects of ngo's i could apply with, and was successful with applications in mexico, india and ghana.
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Vee
Thank-you guys..."YOU'RE SIMPLY THE BEST...BETTER THAN ALL THE REST...BETTER THAN ANYONE...ANYONE I'VE EVER MET"...and you know the rest...!!!
Luv V**
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I'm so excited!!!
by Vee ini've just found out that my application for volunteering in ghana has been accepted!!
i can't tell you how much i'm really looking forward to this challenge.. i've recently moved to london in the hope that i would be able to pick up some project work in the 3rd world country.
i registered with www.workingabroad.com who fitted out my profile with 80 prospects of ngo's i could apply with, and was successful with applications in mexico, india and ghana.
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Vee
I've just found out that my application for volunteering in Ghana has been accepted!! I can't tell you how much I'm really looking forward to this challenge.
I've recently moved to London in the hope that I would be able to pick up some project work in the 3rd world country. I registered with www.workingabroad.com who fitted out my profile with 80 prospects of NGO's I could apply with, and was successful with applications in Mexico, India and Ghana. I've accepted a position of Teachers Assistant and will also live and work in the orphanage which houses the students taught at the school, and am leaving mid January for about 3months!
I'm telling you all, because unlike my family I hope that you will be excited and happy for me. My impression I get from my immediate family is that I'm just trying to fill the void that has been left by leaving the borg. This in a way is true, because although I do not agree with the volunteer preaching work that I participated in from I was 3-22, I do appreciate that it taught me that volunteering for a cause which you really believe in can be can be very rewarding. Unlike my years of "ministry service" though, I know this is a decision I shall never regret.
I know it will be a tough assignment, but it's so very much what I need and want to do right now. I look forward to being useful, and being able to impart what skills and knowledge I have. On a personal note I'm looking forward to experiencing, embracing and accepting another culture, even the bits that I might not agree with. Having recently left the borg I find myself automatically responding in an ingrained way to the social, moral practices of those around me. This really disturbs me since the main reason I left the borg was because of the Fundamentalist attitude of the dub faith, which raises them up above all others. I will never forget a part in a Public Talk where it was said that with every year the gap between the world and the dubs should be getting greater, as the world sinks lower and lower.
Luv V**
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Following on from Brummies topic...
by Vee ini've read several references to 'apostafests' & various other gatherings that have been held for ex-dubs to get together.
i'm very curious to know if these are formal or informal type affairs?
are they just held between known aquaintances?
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Vee
Thank-you Xena, and you likewise enjoy the aromatherapy of your first tree!
I'm yet to meet a Texan "Apostate", sounds like I'm really missing out!
V**
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Reestablishing family ties with non-Witnesses
by cyberguy inas most of you folks know, non-witness family members are treated almost the same way as jw's treat disfellowshipped people.
after leaving the borg, fully or partially, has anyone had good results in reestablishing relationships with non-witnesses family relatives?
i've got over a dozen cousins that i'd like to have a relationship with once again, but i'm not sure the best way to break-the-ice.
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Vee
I had an incredibly tough time trying to 'break the ice' with my da'd cousin. Growing up we were inseperable, and emotionally very close. About 2years ago she was da'd and I myself was on wobbly ground, but was in such fear and under such close watch by my sister and her elder husband that against my natural better judgement I stayed away and didn't give her the support I so regretably wish that I had. She moved to London 12months later and I called a couple of times. I began to make steps of my own to leave the borg and started to keep as regular contact with her as I could. I moved to London just a few months ago and have seen her at least once a fortnight.
It hasn't been at all easy, and she is still very hurt by me and the rest of her family. I know that I just have to be persistent, but not put too much pressure on her. It will take years to undo the pain that she had to endure. I think it does help now that she can see that I myself have experienced the shunning and that I now have a much better understanding of her suffering.
I also have a number of members from extended family that I never got to know very well due to them not being in the "truth". I recently went to Malta to visit my Grandad there, my fathers father and I felt like I was able to talk to him properly for the first time. He himself was very hurt by my father and the fact that he never got to really know his grandchildren and was neglected by my dad and my uncle because of their faith. So, I realise that in the same way as my cousin I can't expect them to naturally welcome me with open arms without hesitation. But, I'm willing to work at it because I know it will be worth it.
In recent months I have also kept up closer contact with my g'ma, and aunties through letters and e-mails. I've always written to my g'ma, but mainly in a way which only told of what I was doing in the every day, and not necessarily of how I was feeling. Now I am able to share my pain and my happiness with her without any judgement whatsover. I have gotten back letters from her in response telling me how much she loves me and how much she wishes she could have had more to do with me when I was growing up. There was so much feeling and love in her letters that I can tell it was a very emotional time for her.
I'm also going to visit an Aunty of mine in Wales next weekend that I haven't seen in years. My father only ever had bad things to say about her and her lifestyle which I never really questionsed for myself and assumed they were true from the standpoint of the WTBTS. I now know after speaking to her recently and receiving e-mails from her that she is a wonderful excentric person that I have alot of respect for. Same goes for another of my Aunties.
There's no doubt that my extended non dub family have felt the inferior judgement of the dub side of my family. My family would go through periods where they would have a bit to do with their non dub family members, but they would draw a definite line, and that was well understood.
Wish you all the best in reconnecting your ties. Just remember that just as you are no doubt being shunned by your immediate family, this is how your non dub family members at different levels have possibly been treated by either yourself or your immediate family for a long time. But your sincerity will show through if you are honest with them about your decisions and new direction.
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Following on from Brummies topic...
by Vee ini've read several references to 'apostafests' & various other gatherings that have been held for ex-dubs to get together.
i'm very curious to know if these are formal or informal type affairs?
are they just held between known aquaintances?
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Vee
Hi all,
I've read several references to 'Apostafests' & various other gatherings that have been held for ex-dubs to get together. I'm very curious to know if these are formal or informal type affairs? Are they just held between known aquaintances? etc... I have also heard of support groups, and counsellors which work specifcally with recovering ex-dubs. I'm very much interested to hear any of your experiences, or recommendations on this subject at whatever level you found really helped you.
On other matters...I went shopping for and put up my first Xmas tree with my flatmates last night! I know it's only a very small things, but it really meant alot to me. We all stayed in and had a roast dinner together, and my boyfriend even spontaneously gave thanks for my benefit. I know it's just a dumb tree (with pretty flashing lights) but it's a symbol to me that the indoctrination which has forced me to live in fear over every minor decision, has started to melt away.
Hava great weekend, talk to you soon :-) Luv V**