OKAY!!! Who put the music in here? It's still playing as I am typing, still...going...slowly...killing me..........make it stop.........please Viv
christopherceo
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Kingdom melodie haunting me
by Vivamus inomg, how horrible is this:.
you know when you have a certain tune in your head, and you just can't figure out which one it is?
well, i just figured mine out, its "hey daar al gij dorstigen, komt en drink het levenswater vrij".
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Did I turn my back on Jehovah's True Organization?
by sandy ini was wondering as i have been lately; did i turn my back on god and am i wrong for turning my back on the organization?.
are there any of you out there that feel like you have a real personal relationship with god with or without religion in your life?
do you still call god jehovah?
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christopherceo
Farkel, I am with you, I know what you mean. I appreciate your honesty and use of the freedom of speech and thought, something not allowed inside the WTS.
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Do You Still Feel Obliged To Answer To The Elders?
by minimus in.
for some, there is real fear that they must speak to the elders if they decide to stop by your house .some don't know what they will do if the elders begin questioning them.
what will you do if they want to talk to you?
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christopherceo
I don't know minimus, it still sounds to me like you are doing some sort of predatory, secret research for the WTS, you phrase your questions and comments very carefully. I choose not to reply to your threads anymore. I hope you are not doing this but I make this choice out of pride for my anonymity.
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Attention FL Apostates (and anyone else interested)
by SpiceItUp ini would like to set up a last minute gathernig to anyone interested for march 16th afternoon or early evening.
anyone interested can contact me at [email protected] for further info.. there will be a special guest in attendance.
if anyone knows who it is, please do not give it away for privacy reasons.. .
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christopherceo
Where be this event? I am in Pensacola.
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Fundamental Questions for Lurking JW's.who want to seriously debate.
by Blueblades inis there a god?
what is the evidence for belief in such a being?
what is god like?
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christopherceo
Francois, I refer to JW's as a high control group that uses coercive indoctrination techniques. I am currently writing a book on the subject, I just don't know if I want to get it published in book form or on the internet only. When active JW's are confronted, not with their teaching, but with their practices and indoctrination techniques, they have no reasonable arguement.
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The seed I planted
by truthseeker1 inno, i didn't knock someone up [;)].
my ex-wife called me up the other day.
she said she needed to talk to someone, and i was the only one she can talk to about this.
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christopherceo
Never underestimate the ability of an active JW to deceive someone and when they do this it is usually for malicious reasons, be careful and keep your senses sharp when talking to her. (I have to with my ex)
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just how many X-jw's are there
by sleepy ini havent been on this site for a while (and its changed a bit) there are so many new people here.x-jw's seem to crawl out of every corner.just wondering is there any accurate or nealy there ,way that we could calculate just how many x-jw's there are in the world.any guess's
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christopherceo
I am proud to say that I am an xjw, maybe two, if I am more I'm not aware of it yet but I am happy to be at least one.
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Generation of 1914 BEGONE!
by UnDisfellowshipped inanother false prophecy by the watchtower society:.
awake!, november 8th 1986 issue, page 8:.
awake!, november 8th 1994 issue, page 10:.
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christopherceo
Thank you for doing all of the research that some of us have no time for, great job. christopherceo
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Do you understand...continued
by christopherceo ini posted a topic the other day titled "do you understand..." and it referred my version of a high control group.
after that post my mind was still working so i sat down to write and this is what came out:.
once you begin to conform with some degree of an acceptable level, you will be given responsibilities in the group.
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christopherceo
Thanks for all of your encouragement guys. I do enjoy writing and this is but a small portion of what I have written on the subject, I plan to post more. Thanks again. christopherceo.
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Do you understand...continued
by christopherceo ini posted a topic the other day titled "do you understand..." and it referred my version of a high control group.
after that post my mind was still working so i sat down to write and this is what came out:.
once you begin to conform with some degree of an acceptable level, you will be given responsibilities in the group.
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christopherceo
I posted a topic the other day titled "do you understand..." and it referred my version of a high control group. After that post my mind was still working so I sat down to write and this is what came out:
Once you begin to conform with some degree of an acceptable level, you will be given responsibilities in the group. They will start off small to test your loyalty to the leaders of the group and to test your newfound knowledge and sense of responsibility to show appreciation to the group for letting you in. If you have studied their literature carefully enough so as to understand fully their unique teachings and views and understand their language to be able to explain them accurately and use the language correctly, and have observed enough of their ritualistic, timed-to-the-minute meetings along with their public ministry activities and you seem like you still want more, you will be considered for responsibilities given to ones who are considered to be spiritually mature. It is at this point that you will be studied and examined by the entire group to make a determination as to whether or not you are capable of being in a leadership position if they have that particular need in their particular group of 65-100 total members with 3-6 leaders (elders) and 4-8 assistants (servants) with the rest being common members who simply follow. There is a special status given to the most active recruiters in the group. Although most of these are common members and female, it is encouraged that at least one male member of leadership status also be a member of the active recruiters group to take control of their public ministry activities. You might even be considered for these positions but not too soon after conversion for fear that you have not completely given your thought control over to the manipulation of the governing body with it's numerous resorces. Your examination process will be thorough and complete, conveniently because you're discouraged from making contact with outsiders and are encouraged to associate with other fellow members who are now your new family of brothers and sisters. Every bad thing you have ever done, every wrong thought or desire you ever had, every weakness you have, your indulgences, will become public to all and will become the basis of their determination of your spiritual level by how far you have progressed from your former self into your new self. They do this at get-togethers in private homes that you are strongly encouraged to attend to further your growth and acceptance of the group and in turn their acceptance of you. They will tell you stories of their former selves then explain to you how they learned to conform to all that is required of the society. At this point you will be expected to expose yourself to the group and tell all of your secrets in the form of stories about past sins and transgressions in your former life before being converted. An amazing thing happens then, the entire group almost instantly knows every detail of your private life, which you are encouraged to continue to share with the group whether good or bad, privacy becomes your enemy. This is enforced by the created imagination that evil spirits are surrounding you constantly to try and attempt you into doing something that the society has deemed harmful. Even independent thinking is highly discouraged for fear that these may be impure thoughts implanted by demons to try and turn you away from the society and its teachings. This indoctrination will be the most terrifying, haunting, and effective method of manipulation that will follow you into your thoughts and even your sleep, scaring you into submission and conformity for fear of bring tormented by evil demons which appear to be in everything around you. An interesting twist is that not only are they doing this to you, the newly converted one, but they are doing this to each other also. Secrets are a bad thing that can destroy your faith by eating away at your mental state causing you to think and act inconsistently with the societies teachings and what they consider to be normal behavior. By encouraging everyone to keep their private lives public, the leaders become better equipped to exercise control over the will of the individuals and as a group by manipulating through constant lectures which you are expected to attend with perfect attendance, at the minimum of five hour-long meetings per week, not including time spent in the public conversion ministry and also time spent preparing for these study sessions and preaching activity. Even they way you decorate your house, the way you wear your hair, the type of car you drive, the clothes you wear, the way you discipline your children, how you spend your spare time, the t.v. shows and movies you watch, your family budget, music you listen to, which businesses you use, the type of healthcare you choose and where, how to communicate with outsiders, how you interact with unbeleiving family members, your thought process, the career you choose, how to pursue and education and to what extent, all of these things and more are what you will be expected to bring into conformity and harmony with what the governing body and its society tells you regarding how to conduct youself in all of these matters. No matter what situation you find yourself in, no matter what decision you have to make, no matter what questions you may have, they have the answer prepared for you somewhere in their literature. Conformity is a 24 hour a day challenge that will consume your life.
The strange thing is that after writing this, I feel better about things, I don't think about my wasted time as a JW as much. Pretty cool huh?