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  Community "Easter" Listing Includes JW Memorial!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .

  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .

  some people felt that if the congregation in jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "easter" listings of christendom!.

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  The threads work, but the words in the article disappeared after I clicked the submit button.

  Oh well! I guess some articles are just that way!

  Thanks!
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  Community "Easter" Listing Includes JW Memorial!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .

  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .

  some people felt that if the congregation in jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "easter" listings of christendom!.

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  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm

  http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm

  Some people felt that if the congregation in Jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "Easter" listings of Christendom!

  But then again, they used to not want the Kingdom Hall listed under (Churches), in the yellow pages. But now, nothing seems to be said about it. Progressively JWs are conforming to the ways of the world that they condemn ,and in many ways, they have become (worse) than the world!

  It is really no big deal, but sometimes I wonder if we would find some of the listings that we do if today was 1960 instead of 2005!

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  Tornado Damages Kingdom Hall!

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  http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .

  http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .

  flyover reveals tornado devastation.

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  ohiocowboy:

  Either that, or they will have to double up with another congregation. I guess it all depends on how bad the damage was. So where is all of that (angelic) protection awyway?

  Thanks ohiocowboy!
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  Tornado Damages Kingdom Hall!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .

  http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .

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  http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3122561&nav=5kZPXsjz

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  Flyover reveals tornado devastation March 24, 2005, 06:19 PM EST

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  More News Headlines Flyover reveals tornado devastation Tuesday's storms confirmed as tornadoes Miller tornado cleanup wil take weeks Donaldson joins Spillers defense Henry Mathis case expands Cops on Doughnuts to raise money for Special Olympics Albany armor program continues to grow Suspected drug distributor busted in Albany motel Moultrie man dies in car accident Special Olympic games kick off

  Miller County and Seminole County- The number of people injured in Tuesday?s tornado has climbed to 20, 14 of those injuries were in Miller County, and six were in Seminole County, where one woman was killed when the F-2 tornado slammed into her mobile home.

  Photographer, Richard Coleman and I got an aerial view of the damage today.

  We start off in Western Seminole County, out Highway 84, where the tornado first touched down. You can see irrigation equipment that was tossed around, trees uprooted.

  As we follow the storm's path northeast, here's a house was heavily damaged, what appears to have been a shed is demolished, more trees down. Then, look at this devastation - this mobile home park on Old Jakin Road, where 34-year Mary Burrington old was killed. Her home obviously took a direct hit and exploded. All that's left is scattered debris.

  At least half dozen mobile homes destroyed. It's safe to say had this tornado come through in the middle of the night, with all these people sleeping, we would have likely seen a much higher injury and death toll.

  We followed the storm's path to the northeast now in Seminole County, and the tornado left a clear path you can see in the trees along the road. Now look at all those pine trees just laid down like toothpicks. This tornado was about a half mile wide.

  We continue northeast and catch a glimpse of what you could consider a lucky family. All around their house is destruction, but the house itself is still standing. But this one isn't.

  And look at this house... gone. The brick stairs to the house now lead to nowhere, just a pile of rubble. Obviously another direct hit.

  More twisted irrigation equipment and across this field, a house that luckily only sustained some roof damage. Trees are down all over the place, and these are huge trees.

  Now we approach another farmhouse in Miller County, where you can see another damaged shed, downed trees and twisted metal and debris. Power crews line the roads in Miller County working to restore electricity.

  Another Miller County home on Highway 91 looks like a bomb went off. The house itself with some roof damage and just up the road, the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness with some roof damage as well. More utility crews line highway 91 the major road connecting Miller and Seminole Counties.

  This shot gives you an idea of how spread out this rural area is and it's a good thing. Had this been a heavily populated area, again, I think we would be seeing a lot more injuries possibly deaths.

  Now you see more farm equipment, sheds and mangled equipment. These trees clearly show the path of the storm. You can tell from all this insulation that used to be a mobile home. It's truly amazing that here weren't more people injured or killed. This was a strong tornado that cut a half-mile wide path on the ground for roughly 15 to 20 miles.

  Thankfully, much of the area in its path was farmland. As we approach this house, you see there's a workshop or at least there was a workshop out back. It too apparently took a direct hit. You can see there's nothing left. Heavy tool chests are still upright but the shed basically imploded. And over here this house amazingly stands surrounded by destruction.

  Now we approach another house where the top was ripped off, trees everywhere and look to the left of the house. In this rural area at lot of homes are out buildings and sheds, so many of them now gone.

  Early damage estimates are at ten million dollars and that's expected to increase.
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  Honoring Your Wishes: Put Them in a Living Will!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/12605440p-13459740c.html .

  http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/12605440p-13459740c.html .

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  Brenda:

  Thanks Brenda, we appreciate it!
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  Honoring Your Wishes: Put Them in a Living Will!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/12605440p-13459740c.html .

  http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/12605440p-13459740c.html .

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  http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/12605440p-13459740c.html

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  Honoring your wishes: Put them in a living will

  By David Barton -- Bee Staff Writer
  Published 2:15 am PST Tuesday, March 22, 2005

  As the court case and life of Terri Schiavo hang in the balance, a host of questions mount, to which there seem few black-and-white answers.

  The legal, ethical, spiritual and political debates have been heard in Florida courts at least 15 times. Some were heard again Monday by a federal judge as Schiavo entered her third day off the feeding tube that has kept her alive for 15 years.

  Only 12 percent to 13 percent of people age 50 and over have their wishes legally recorded in a living will, in which an individual is able to state what sort of life support he or she wants to be given. Anyone over the age of 18 can have a living will drawn up, and it must be witnessed by two adults or notarized.

  Caplan, a national expert on ethics and end-of-life issues, said the Schiavo case, though it has drawn international attention, is not essentially different from the "thousands" of cases every year in which family members do legal battle over what to do with a family member who can't make his or her own choices.

  But this case has become different, says Caplan, whom we caught on his cell phone as he walked across the Philadelphia campus to give a speech to the Parents Council at Penn on Monday afternoon.

  Q: Is this case common, or unique?

  A: There are thousands of these cases a year. There's nothing unique about families fighting over this. There's nothing unique about removing a feeding tube from someone who is unconscious. What's unique is having a family fight draw the attention of the pope and the president of the United States.

  Q: Why do you think it has done so?

  A: Because the president has what he sees as a mandate to enforce moral values, as he sees them. And he has a Congress that will go along with him. Until now, Congress has left these matters to state courts.

  Q: But isn't a consensus building about end-of-life issues, and isn't this part of the process?

  A: The consensus isn't building - it's been built over the last 30 years, case by case, state by state. From state to state, people know that you can stop treatments, that you should respect the wishes of competent people, that you should respect the wishes of the next of kin. And this Congress could blow all that up overnight.

  Q: How so?

  A: They're opening the door to where all of these matters are going to end up in federal court. I think they're opening an enormous can of worms. Besides that, turning it into an issue of life and death is missing the point.

  Q: It is? So, what is the point?

  A: The question is how to honor someone's wishes when they are incapacitated; that's where the law has focused for 30 years. And in most of those cases, the courts have found that the spouse has the traditional responsibility. It's been true in many court decisions, including many end-of-life decisions. It's been true in the prior decisions on this case, all 15 of which came down in favor of the spouse, Michael Schiavo.

  Q: Religious belief plays a role in this, doesn't it?

  A: Yes. People say, "I'm a Catholic and I can't remove a feeding tube," or an Orthodox Jew might believe that someone's not dead until their heart stops, whatever the functioning of their brain. And they are entitled, under current law, to make decisions based on those beliefs.

  But the irony here is that the president and Congress, acting on their religious beliefs, are actually stepping on the beliefs of some of their core constituents.

  Again, the issue is respect for people's choices. When a Jehovah's Witness or a Christian Scientist says, "I don't want medical care," we honor their convictions, even if they might die because of them. It's about what each individual wants. And this might undermine that.

  Q: How would it undermine that right?

  A: Well, if you wind up saying that you must treat if there's any doubt about what the patient wanted, you're setting the bar very, very high for religious people. People who are fundamentalist Christians, Hmong people who don't use Western medicine, people who believe in natural healing - they're going to have to be treated unless they carry around a written statement, which some of them refuse to do, because they assume that their families will take care of it for them. In some families, it's assumed that the senior male will make the decision; a woman would not presume to make that decision for herself.

  Q: Are we at a point where a "natural" death is going to be quite rare?

  A: Yes, we're already there. Very few people die at home, without some medical technology. Anyone who dies in a nursing home or hospital has at least one instance of a decision made not to resuscitate. Because of the treatments and technologies we have now, we always have to decide, at some point, not to use some of them.

  Q: Does a living will actually help to avoid this?

  A: Oh yes, definitely. It's not something people under the age of 50 or even older think about. So, if you're over 18, you should make your wishes known. And fill it out with other people, so the people who will survive you know about it. Don't just stick it in a folder. It'll save a lot of people a lot of difficulty. And be sure to update it every couple of years.

  Q: Why? Does it expire?

  A: No, a 12-year-old living will has as much legal force as a newer one, but psychologically, it helps the survivors. It helps them understand that you felt the same way more recently, that you knew what you wanted. And that makes the whole thing easier.
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  Barbarian Productions---Watchtower!

  by Voyager in

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  barbarian productions:.

  does anyone have any information on how the watchtower is associated with barbarian productions?

  here is the main page for barbarian productions, (keep a keen eye on the names in the threads:).

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  Ok, thanks everybody for the assistance. Yes it does seem a bit hypocritical doesn't it. I'll keep checking to see what else I can find.

  Thanks again!
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  Barbarian Productions---Watchtower!

  by Voyager in

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  barbarian productions:.

  does anyone have any information on how the watchtower is associated with barbarian productions?

  here is the main page for barbarian productions, (keep a keen eye on the names in the threads:).

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  Barbarian Productions:

  Does anyone have any information on how the Watchtower is associated with Barbarian Productions?

  Here is the main page for Barbarian Productions, (Keep a keen eye on the names in the threads:)

  http://www.barbaria.com/

  Now here is a download of all of the companies associated with Barbarian Productions. Look at the name in the thread: (Scroll almost to the very bottom, and look for companies that start with the letter (W).

  http://www.barbaria.com/cis/downloads/u6/Companies.txt

  Thanks! Just send me a (pm) if you find out anything.
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  Schiavo Case Goes to Heart of Principles of Medical Ethics!

  by Voyager in

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  http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1328140.htm .

  http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1328140.htm .

  schiavo case goes to heart of principles of medical ethicsprint friendlyemail storythe world today - monday, 21 march , 2005 12:18:00reporter: edmond royeleanor hall: so, how would such a case be handled in australia?

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  The World Today - Monday, 21 March , 2005 12:18:00 Reporter: Edmond Roy ELEANOR HALL: So, how would such a case be handled in Australia? Medical ethicists here agree that most decisions about life support are dealt with by the physician, the family and the patient. But nevertheless, there have been instances when the courts have become involved. Edmond Roy spoke Dr Roseanna Capolingua, Chair of the Australian Medical Association's Ethics and Medico Legal committee. ROSEANNA CAPOLINGUA: This woman is actually not in a coma, she is alive. You could draw parallels to many people who are in prolonged care in Australia. You could look at children who are fed, who have disability. You could look at people who've had strokes, who are being cared for and fed, whether they're fed by a carer or whether they have a line in feeding them, it's the same thing. It is providing essential care for the maintenance and respect of that life. In this situation the court has ruled that that should be taken away, and the woman will die. So, it is not something that is legal or accepted in Australia, and we don't need to follow the American path here. EDMOND ROY: Have there been similar cases, though? ROSEANNA CAPOLINGUA: I don't think there's been a case where sustained sort of care has been an issue. Certainly, every now and again, and in fact last year I think on the East Coast of Australia there was a case where life support? as in a patient was in intensive care to maintain life, and the doctors felt that there was really absolutely no avenue of recovery, the complications of the intensive care was quite significant for the patient, and the family in this case did not want the intensive care support removed, and the doctors recommended that it should be removed, and that case went to the courts here. But usually what happens in acute situations is that decisions are resolved quite calmly, quite clearly between the guardians or the parents or relatives of the individual patient and the doctors caring, in the best interests of the patient. And that's in the acute situations. In the long-term care situation, long-term care is provided and sustained for the term of the person's natural life. EDMOND ROY: Now that, as you say, is also the ideal situation, but nevertheless the courts are there and are used? ROSEANNA CAPOLINGUA: Very occasionally the courts are used. Recently in WA, Princess Margaret Hospital, the children's hospital here, went to the court for a ruling with regards the use of a blood transfusion in a 14-year-old Jehovah's Witness, who was undergoing chemotherapy. The family were refusing to allow the child to have the transfusion. The doctors felt, obviously, the child was going to die if he did not receive the transfusion, and went to the court, and the court ruled that the transfusion should be given. It is an uncommon occurrence. Usually things are resolved between family and the doctors, the clinicians. But, again, that's in an acute situation. This is a scenario where someone has been in long-term care, where there aren't really medical complications occurring, the patient is relatively "well", in inverted commas. They may not be living a normal life, as you and I would view it, but they have life which in this case is quite obvious when you see photographs or film footage of this particular person, and she has only been requiring the feeding to sustain her, and proper nursing care. So, the decision to remove that from her is really a decision to kill her. The implications of? certainly it's not acceptable in Australian law, and the implications of these sorts of decisions allow for a great deal of concern. Remember, these people often cannot speak up for themselves, but they still have rights, and we need to make sure that the best interests of that person are always protected. ELEANOR HALL: The Australian Medical Association's Doctor Roseanna Capolingua speaking to Edmond Roy.
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  Hey I have 1 question

  by Rtjmoss in

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  why can't jehovah witnesses go to the school prom?

  i have always wondered this.

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  "Prom night?s also usually the first time your parents say to you, ?Honey, enjoy yourself. We?ll see you in the morning.?"

  "I remember going to a school dance where there were only two chaperons, and they weren?t even paying attention to the kids."

  YOUR classmates have been talking about it for months. After all, the senior prom is a once-in-a-lifetime event. And since you will be saying good-bye to classmates you have known for years, you might naturally want to be there. "Ever since junior high school," says one 18-year-old girl, "I?ve wanted to attend the prom."

  In some lands the senior prom?a formal dance preceding graduation from high (secondary) school?is a real milestone for youths. More than simply a gala social event, the prom is a time-honored ritual marking the passage into adulthood. Says Seventeen magazine: "Prom night?s also usually the first time your parents say to you, ?Honey, enjoy yourself. We?ll see you in the morning.? Staying out all night is not only okay?it?s what you?re supposed to do."

  Not that all youths plan an all-night session of dubious conduct. Rather, many simply look forward to a beautifully romantic experience?the chance to be a modern-day Cinderella or Prince Charming! "It?s like a fantasy," says 19-year-old Darcey. "They step out of their rented limousine, take pictures, and show off in front of their friends. It?s their moment in the spotlight."

  Less glamorous in style, but also popular, are school dances. "Every now and then, you need a gathering just to have a good time," says 15-year-old Jamey. But whether the appeal is the dancing, the dinner, or the dressing up, most youths feel that going to such affairs is a virtual obligation. Their only concerns are who they will go with, what they will wear, and how they will get the money to pay for the evening. But there are some other things you may need to consider.

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  Beyond the Glitter

  Jesus Christ himself was one who attended respectable social gatherings. (Compare Luke 5:29; John 2:1, 2.) But "revelries," or "wild parties," are condemned in the Bible. (Galatians 5:21; Byington) In the first century, wild orgies in which pagans would openly engage in "deeds of loose conduct, lusts, excesses with wine, revelries, drinking matches, and illegal idolatries" were common. Christians were therefore warned against attending these unruly affairs.?1 Peter 4:3, 4.

  What about proms and school dances? Some may be well organized and supervised, thus relatively tame events. Rowdy behavior may be discouraged and dealt with swiftly if it occurs. But behind the glitter and glamor of many?if not most?proms, there often lurks the spirit of revelry. "There?s a lot of sexual immorality and drinking," one teenager told Awake! Alcoholic beverages may officially be off-limits. But a lot of drinking may go on in rest rooms, stairwells, and parking lots.

  The Bible warns: "Wine is a ridiculer, intoxicating liquor is boisterous." (Proverbs 20:1) Add now some wild or sensuous music, unrestrained dancing, dimmed lighting, and a crowd of youths who may have little appreciation for Bible principles, and you have the ingredients for revelry. Can you count on the chaperons to keep things under control? Not always. A teenager named Charles says bluntly: "Chaperons do nothing." Unfair? Not according to young Darcey, who says: "I remember going to a school dance where there were only two chaperons, and they weren?t even paying attention to the kids."

  It must be admitted that even the most conscientious of chaperons may find it next to impossible in a darkened ballroom or gymnasium to control a crowd of youths who are bent on having a ?good time.? As a result, the dream of an evening of romance can quickly turn into a nightmare. "There are a lot of fights," says one teenage girl.

  Compromising

  Situations

  Granted, not all proms or school dances erupt into violence. Still, there is the very real danger that you may be thrust into a potentially compromising situation. Recalls one young woman: "When you?re dancing cheek to cheek with boys, their hands start wandering all over you. They expect you to accept it!" Could you not avoid such a problem simply by keeping to yourself? Perhaps. But that is often easier said than done.

  Suppose you go unescorted or go with a group of friends. One teenager reminds us: "Some boys are there by themselves, and they try to go after as many girls as they can." There may also be a fair number of aggressive girls there. A youth who goes alone can easily become the target of unwanted attention.

  On the other hand, having a fellow believer as an escort can create yet other complications. After all, dating is taken seriously by Jehovah?s Witnesses today. And even if you feel sure that your escort has no romantic interest in you, to what extent can he or she really serve as a protection? Notes 19-year-old Lora: "What?s going to prevent others from cutting in as you dance?or asking you to go out with them? What happens then?" A tense, awkward situation can easily develop.

  Not to be overlooked, either, is the danger of letting your guard down and getting caught up in the spirit of the occasion yourself. Bad associations do "spoil useful habits." (1 Corinthians 15:33) Admits an 18-year-old named Nick: "Even if two of Jehovah?s Witnesses went together, they could easily be prompted to do what everybody else is doing."

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  the Party?s Over

  Oftentimes, though, the real problems arise after the party. "Some go to a hotel or to somebody?s house," says young Tanya. Adds Yolanda: "You?re supposed to stay there all night. That?s part of the tradition." Drugs, alcohol, and sex can also be part of the prom tradition. The morning after, however, can leave a youth with a stricken conscience, diminished self-respect, and the very real fear of pregnancy?or AIDS.

  All too often, then, proms and school dances fail to live up to their promise of romance and wholesome fun and degenerate into wild parties, revelries. We are reminded that the prophet Isaiah in his day expressed God?s disapproval of gatherings that lasted "till late in the evening darkness." The parties were complete with alcoholic beverages and music?"harp and stringed instrument, tambourine and flute." Fun? No doubt. But Isaiah said of the partygoers: "The activity of Jehovah they do not look at, and the work of his hands they have not seen."?Isaiah 5:11, 12.

  Yes, getting into a party environment with youths who do not appreciate the Bible?s view can pose serious risks. True, not all such affairs turn into revelries, and circumstances vary throughout the world. So you and your parents must decide whether it is appropriate for you to attend. "It?s hard," admitted one young girl, "because the prom is glamorous, and it?s such a temptation. It?s in front of you all year!"

  But talking matters over with your parents or a mature Christian can help clarify things. Consider: Who will be attending the dance? What type of supervision will there be? Will alcoholic drinks be served? What kind of music will be played? Have there been problems in past years? How would being a part of such an affair be viewed by others?especially fellow Christians? Could attending put a stumbling block before some??1 Corinthians 10:23, 24, 32.

  In view of all the problems associated with proms and school dances, Christian youths would consult with their parents and likely decide not to attend. But is not your graduation an accomplishment to be proud of? Of course! Likely, though, you can find a safer way to celebrate, perhaps by sharing your joy with fellow Witnesses. For example, your family may decide to arrange for a modest gathering or a dinner party. When such gatherings are kept to a reasonable size and are well organized, serious problems rarely develop.

  Such a gathering may lack the glitter and glamour of a formal school prom. But it can still be a happy occasion?free of the pitfalls a prom or school dance may present. Best of all, you will be in harmony with Paul?s words at 1 Corinthians 10:31: "Whether you are eating or drinking or doing anything else, do all things for God?s glory."

  [Footnotes]

  "A formal dance held for a high-school or college class typically at or near the end of the academic year. [Short for PROMENADE.]"?The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.

  "Revelry" is defined as boisterous partying or merrymaking.

  See chapter 30 of the book Questions Young People Ask?Answers That Work, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

  See the article "Social Entertainment?Enjoy the Benefits, Avoid the Snares" in the August 15, 1992, issue of The Watchtower.

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  Chaperons find it nearly impossible to control the conduct of all in attendance