Posts by Gizmo

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Taming of a Beast (Long post)

by animal in

taming of a beast.

it was back in 1993, the last day of work before christmas.

70 of us were laid off that day (after 6 months notice), and left at lunch, never to go back.

Codependence vs. Interdependence

By Robert Burney M.A.

"In order to stop giving our power away, to stop reacting out of our inner children, to stop setting ourselves up to be victims, so that we can start learning to trust and Love ourselves, we need to begin to practice discernment. Discernment is having the eyes to see, and the ears to hear - and the ability to feel the emotional energy that is Truth.

We cannot become clear on what we are seeing or hearing if we are reacting to emotional wounds that we have not been willing/able to feel and subconscious attitudes that we have not been willing/able to look at. We cannot learn to trust ourselves as long as we are still setting ourselves up to be victimized by untrustworthy people." ***

"Not only were we taught to be victims of people, places, and things, we were taught to be victims of ourselves, of our own humanity. We were taught to take our ego-strength, our self-definition from external manifestations of our being. . . Looks, talent, intelligence external manifestations of our being are gifts to be celebrated. They are temporary gifts. They are not our total being. They do not define us or dictate if we have worth. We were taught to do it backwards. To take our self-definition and self-worth from temporary illusions outside of, or external to our beings. It does not work. It is dysfunctional."

Good huh?

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Analysis of Apostasy

by pseudoxristos in

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a load of crap from a jw forum.

i thought everyone would gag enjoy.. .

i have recently written a short essay on the mode and operation .

Gizmo

I think this person is aiming this essay at people like Ray Franz, and insinuating that a person of his obvious intellect can and do often lead people of less comprehension astray solely for the purpose of self adulation and pride.

Apostasy in the dictionary is defined as: Abandonment of religious faith, principles or party.

In light of the above definition, the whole of the WTBTS are a group of apostates. Why?

Because at some point in time they too abandoned their original religious faith, principles or party, be it Catholicism, Orthodox, or whatever other affiliation they had prior to adopting their new understanding!

Those introduced into the organisation by parental association; have to at some point in time decide for themselves whether or not to adopt the teachings. However how many of those can honestly say they researched other options? This in the organisation is not encouraged in case they get swayed by apostates. And often those who try, do not have the resources or time, so it is taken for granted that their parents and offcourse the authors of the publications have the education, higher intellect and understanding, not forgetting the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

So, who are they to question these men who are held in such high esteem? What possible motive could they have but your personal welfare?

To question ones religion is NOT WRONG! To remain a part of a religion when evidence of corruptness and abuse is discovered and hidden, and manipulated IS WRONG!

And to NOT forewarn others of these discoveries would be almost like condoning the religions actions.

If some, after making these discoveries (and I personally feel this IS NOT the case for Ray Franz) try and "ALLURE" people to them in a capacity to lead them, then they too will soon be found guilty of promoting their own ideologies.

The 3 points below made by our learned friend can and do equally apply to the WTBTS GB:-

1. The recipient does not usually know if the author's words are
true or false
2. The recipient does not usually know if the author is mixing
truth with falsehood
3. The recipient is usually unable to verify allegations and/or
assertions

"If it is important to comprehend an apostates argument `of
scripture'... Why did God see it important to condemn it
`through scripture?'" (compare Romans 16:17, Titus 3:10)

So who is the original Apostate dear writer, the WTBTS GB or those who abandoned their false teachings?

Its a very circular argument you make and one that cannot be completely determined without ones ability to read the Heart.

And we all know that is something we cannot do!

In pursuit of HONESTY!

Edited by - elderrepents on 30 December 2002 6:38:46

Edited by - elderrepents on 30 December 2002 6:42:33

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What is a CULT???

by Debz in

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this is interesting......it is taken from margot adler's drawing down the moon, a guide to contemporary neo-paganism.

she quotes p.e.i.

bonewits on what to look for and avoid in any organization that promises wisdom by participating in its activities.. .

Gizmo

She forgot one

MEDIATORS: Leaders are the only channel of mediation between God and mankind

Very nice Debz

Edited by - elderrepents on 30 December 2002 1:39:25

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JESUS shared a secret with marymagdalane,what was

by nightwarrior in

what was the secret jesus shared with marymagdalane ( was she his wife) .

any one know about these questions,if so please share them with us .

.as we are doing some research along, different avenues .

Gizmo

Mark, chapter 16

9: Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Sorry Heathen don't see what's so speculative about the above scripture??

Incidently nightwarrior, Have a look at this site, seems to have info of MM, I personally haven't looked through it, cos i'm not that interested to be honest...however what U_R said above about her strikes me as reasonable.

Edited by - elderrepents on 30 December 2002 1:31:44

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Old WT Graphic

by out4good3 in

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someone had a graphic picture which represented the tru nature of being a jw to a tee.

it was a picture of what looked like a naked woman in white silhouette with a closed cage around her head and possibly her hands bound.

i vaguely remember something in the picture that pictured the wt having the key to the cage.

Gizmo

here ya go trotafox

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JESUS shared a secret with marymagdalane,what was

by nightwarrior in

what was the secret jesus shared with marymagdalane ( was she his wife) .

any one know about these questions,if so please share them with us .

.as we are doing some research along, different avenues .

Gizmo

Please nightwarrior

Get your facts staright before posting... shees

That chales taz russell was a free mason,one of the founders of the awake /watchtower
his grave has A SIX FOOT PYRAMID, COVERING HIM .WITH EMBLEMS OF THE FREEMASONS AND A CROSS OR CRUCIFIX EMBLAZED IN A CIRCLE
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Above is the headstone above Russell's grave.

Watchtower's pyramid memorial, with cross and crown emblem and capstone. Note Russell's headstone in background

Where pray tell is the mason symbol on the pyramid...it is actually a crown and crucifix.

Edited by - elderrepents on 29 December 2002 23:54:15

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ATTENTION APOSTATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by GING in

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u apostates.... fallen ones..... spiritually weak ones.....whatever u want to call u r selfs make me sick... all u display is hate.

quit u r pathetic crusade to destroy the wts.

u r childish " if i cant have it... no one can" attitude.. apostate 1) " once at a meeting a talk was given and the elder said we should pray for the spiritually weak ones in the cong!!!!!!..

Gizmo

Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

Writen by: John Lennon

Piss be with you GING

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Some of my Artworks

by refiners fire in

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edited by - refiners fire on 29 december 2002 18:28:29.

Gizmo

I fixed it for you RF hope you don't mind????

Edited by - elderrepents on 30 December 2002 8:35:15

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Just got off the phone to Dad

by Gizmo in

my dad has no idea how to use a puter let alone get on the net.. so i rang him up just now...and told him what i've been up to...about this site and all, and how it's helped me found out a whole lot of information, usually hidden from the r&f and how some ex jw's are doing a really great job, by staying on the inside and doing what they can to provide info to expose corrupt dealings by the gb....he was flabbergasted...and i might add very impressed,,,lol isn't that cool?.

well i told him there are spies everywhere now, and the wts is really starting to feel the affects...pity the net wasn't around years ago huh guys?

anyway..to cut a long story short....i asked him during his time as the po in his cong.

Gizmo

Wow Estee_TX

Wearing her cute little pouffy jw dresses at about 18 months of age, she recalls a brother who used to take her off the jw property after the Sunday meetings and SELL her to dirty old men. She was so traumatized by it that she could not go to a KH. Once she even witnessed a man - -- who after having sex with her - - - hung himself!

This sounds very familiar to me....I have an acquantance whose daughter was abused by a close relative that later hanged himself...unfortunately this woman has developed a very serious psychiatric problem now...and because of this problem was actually difellowshiped....she has repeatedly attempted suicide...and each time failed? She literally is living in HELL here on earth and her parents are so hurt by all the betrayal....but they still believe God in his own time will end all this?????

In the mean time their daughter suffers terribly...mind you not much can be done about it now...the guy is dead.

And thanks for all the kind words guys....I'll tell dad and he'll be happy you called him Brave...LOL

Thanks

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Some of my Artworks

by refiners fire in

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edited by - refiners fire on 29 december 2002 18:28:29.

Gizmo

WOW Blondie wish i had such talents

hmmmmm looks like paint ball on canvas...think I'll take up painting

Edited by - elderrepents on 29 December 2002 21:16:3