I believe the "unclean and hated bird" would be any bird who shits on the cars in the KH parking lot.
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Unclean and Hated Bird
by bowels inwhen studying the various books we have over the years about revelation, i always liked the part about the "unclean and hated bird" (especially when i was a kid).. i always wondered what type of bird it was referring to.
what birds do i really hate?
i'm not sure i hate any but i certainly don't like pigeons.
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Being JW did not make me a better person...
by Granny Linda inno, it wasn't that group of people who showed me what life is about.
hell, their so busy preparing to die that it seems life eludes them.
it was by becoming an active participant in my own adventure.
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"I saw so clearly just how JW's and other's of their ilk don't make better people out of us...we do. "
These are words of gold. Nothing can supply continuous happiness, only we ourselves can do that. I'm incredibly happy that I've learned that at the young age of 24. It gives so much more meaning to life!
Trying to find happiness in waiting for armageddon to come and survive into a paradise earth is just like trying to find happiness in the hope of winning the lottery. You spend tons of energy and money, and hope that one day you'll end up with the grand prize. Then you die. The best thing to do is make the most of our time here on earth, while we're here.
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Wasting PRECIOUS time !?!
by JNS2 ini was just feeling guilty wasting all this time reading these threads, new & old.
but then it occurred to me how much time i spent going to 5 meetings a week, going in field service, studying & preparing, getting dressed up & travelling back & forth to the kh for more than two decades.
i have a long way to go to catch up!!!.
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Time is short! Armageddon is at hand! You shouldn't be wasting your time on here when you could be out preaching the bad news. Jehovah will not wait for slackers. He doesn't put up with bull5hit. Will you be going through the wide road that leads to destruction, or the narrow road that leads to everlasting life in a paradise earth with all your judgemental friends?
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What song sums up your JW experience?
by sleepy inits got to be rage against the machine, "killing in the name of" .
just had the bassline to this song rumbling through my head, havent heard it for ages though .
you need to know the chorus.
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Dominance & Submission by Blue Oyster Cult
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she's reading "C OF C"
by mackey inwell, i gave my hope to be future wife crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom yesterday.
i told her to take her time and read them with an open mind and to trust her heart.
she told me before that if she had any doubts she would leave the wt.
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At least she's willing to read them. I wish the best for both of you :)
I just ordered COC last night. I already can't wait for it to come in. I've heard so much about it, and I'm dying to read it.
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The Emblems
by Nosferatu inone thing that used to really boggle my mind were the emblems at the memorial.
i thought it would be much more sacred than going out to the grocery store and buying a box of passover crackers sitting right next to the vegetable thins.. i wondered why the wts never baked the crackers and brewed the wine themselves, instead of letting a worldly company do it for them.
worldly companies are dishonest, and there could be additives and all that other good stuff in the emblems.
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One thing that used to really boggle my mind were the emblems at the memorial. I thought it would be much more sacred than going out to the grocery store and buying a box of Passover Crackers sitting right next to the Vegetable Thins.
I wondered why the WTS never baked the crackers and brewed the wine themselves, instead of letting a worldly company do it for them. Worldly companies are dishonest, and there could be additives and all that other good stuff in the emblems. They might not be pure.
It's almost as if Jesus said to the 12, "Here, I bought these at the corner store for you guys".
Also, what ever happened to what wasn't eaten or guzzled? Do the elders slice up some cheese after the memorial and celebrate a good attendance?
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Did Most At The Kingdom Hall Ignore Or Talk To You
by minimus indid you find that you tended to find yourself alone, without many people to talk to, or were you generally able to chit-chat with the "friends" at the hall?
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I was ignored for the most part. I stood out very much from the other Witnesses. I had absolutely nothing in common with any of them. There would be maybe 1 who would talk to me regularily. However, when it came to the others, this is how the convo went:
Br: Hi Nosferatu!
Me: Hello!
Br: How's school going
Me: Fine
Br: That's good!
Then they'd walk away. I suppose I could have put more effort into conversing with people, but I was too damn depressed over the fact that I was stuck in this religion.
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- It drove me to do self-analysis and self-improvement. I decided to make myself a better person than what I had become because of the religion.
- I saved a lot of money not buying xmas gifts.
- Publicly speaking in front of a large crowd.
- I learned how to tell people what they wanted to hear, even though I didn't believe in it myself.
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Should I tell her?
by Nosferatu inwell, i really don't know how to exactly explain this one, or how to ask this question, but i'll do my best.
first, some background information:.
me and my mother got into a religious discussion - something i really enjoy doing.
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Thank you all for your responses!
Syn: You are correct that the best revenge is living well. I've adopted this attitude in life and it has gotten me very far. However, revenge is not what I'm looking for.
Marcos: I do very well with not letting it get me down. I look at the past as just that - the past, and I prefer it to remain there, but every once in a while, I get reminded of it, and all the feelings come along with it as well.
Animal: This is why I haven't said anything yet. I could see my mother telling me that it was Satan's world, not faith in Jehovah resulting in what I went through.
Email: I have thought about these things long and hard for the past few years. I am a bit worried about my mother thinking that she failed raising me, which is not the case at all. I just feel like I need to point out why this religion is a bunch of crap, however the failed upbringing would go along with it.
The most difficult thing to deal with is being lied to my face from my mother regarding my upbringing. It's a typical JW fashion to change the past, and this is exactly how my mother is regarding this subject.
One of the things I had to undo that I learned from her is taking my anger out on anything that breathes. I used to take out my frustrations on my cat. One day, I realized that I was doing this, and that I was turning out EXACTLY like my mother, and I made it a goal to change this part of myself - and I did a very good job :)
I've been bettering myself for the last few years by dealing with issues from my past. The JWs is one of them, which is why I'm here. However, I may have to face the fact that this issue can't be dealt with, at least right now.
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Should I tell her?
by Nosferatu inwell, i really don't know how to exactly explain this one, or how to ask this question, but i'll do my best.
first, some background information:.
me and my mother got into a religious discussion - something i really enjoy doing.
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Well, I really don't know how to exactly explain this one, or how to ask this question, but I'll do my best. First, some background information:
Me and my mother got into a religious discussion - something I really enjoy doing. For those who don't know, my mother is an active JW, and has been for 20 years.
Anyway, we were talking about how I was "raised" in the truth. The conversation got steered toward how my mother apparently learned not to beat me out of anger (which is total bs). This ends up being a very touchy situation with me, since I was quite frequently beaten out of anger which was usually not the cause of me.
She told me that she raised me well, and I turned out great because of Bible Principles. Over the past 7 years or so, I had to undo a lot of what I had learned. I understand that the way I turned out was because of undoing what I was taught, not the direct result of Bible Principles.
My mother had made some decisions - based on these "principles" - that had resulted from me getting beat up at school, and having a nervous breakdown when I was in Junior High. Being a JW commited a LOT to this.
My mother had learned that JWs are suppose to stand out in school, which is why I was forced to wear out-of-date clothes, which my mother thought looked nice. I was teased very much in school for this.
I was also taught that if I rely on Jehovah, he'll make things work out fine. This did not happen. I didn't stand up for myself, thinking that Jehovah was going to take care of me, which resulted in my peers punching and kicking me even more.
So now I had 3 things contributing to my problems at school: Being a JW (which I wasn't suppose to be ashamed of), ugly clothes that were 10+ years out of date, and no defending myself. I went through a lot of torment in Junior high. I never felt I could turn to my mother for anything, since her temper would go through the roof, and I would get a beating. The effects of all this still surface in my adulthood.
Here's the thing, I never told my mother any of what went on in Junior High.
Should I actually tell her the results of the "Theocratic Upbringing", or should I not bother, since I'll get absolutely nowhere, and only frustrate myself farther?
Just as a side note, my mother was never brought up in the "truth", so she doesn't know what it's like to be JW in school.