I too grew up in the faith. I am the only one in my entire that is not baptised. My major was in religious philosophy with a minor in psychology. I have a worldly education with one degree in the abstract and the other based in science. My faith in God has not waivered even though I am no longer in the faith. I don't require empirical data to justify my belief in a creator. And because of my background in psychology, I understand that there will be people with different personalities styles that perceive the world around them differently. It's just been my belief and understanding that a middle ground exists between science and religion. To assume that I am in error simply because my set of "numbers" don't add up logically to some man-made data set is false. How many times must we, those of us that hold to an almighty creator, hear that our belief is outdated or illogical because the data just isn't there to prove it. If it turns out in the end that God doesn't exists then I took a chance to believe. I hope i'm right....Aren't we all betting on some kind of relative truth? Nothing is 100%. If it was then we wouldn't be having this conversation right?
nakedmvistar
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
Writes Armstrong, "Nimrod was so evil, it is said he married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's untimely death [other legends say it was at the hands of Shem! - ed], his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
If your brought up extremely religious, and then your kicked out of the church only to be told that there's no hope for you and yet you still hold to a belief ---then your faith in the only God you know can be quite painful. Yet do you lash out at God, or the corrupt org? Most people will disgard their faith in God! When they should be dumping the institution.
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Taken
by heathen ini am following the sci-fi channel presentaion of steven spielbergs taken .
i tell you what this is one cool mini series .anyone here claim to be abducted ?they say the show is based on accounts reported by people claiming to be taken .
personally i don't believe in flying saucers and little green men but i love science fiction .any thoughts on this?
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nakedmvistar
So what do you think these things are??? And don't tell me you think it's swamp gas!
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
If you associate pain in that belief then yes, you find a reason not to believe.
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
I'm reminded of a Star trek the next generation episode in which a little boy suffered extreme trauma when he lost his parents in some accident. Instead of dealing with the pain associated with his loss, he simply took favor with the Character of DATA the android who felt no emotion. He simply mimicked the behaviour of this ultra logical android....there was no need to experience pain if he pretended to be like him---a computer. I see this alot with people who been hurt and betrayed while in a religion. They throw out their belief in God and replace it something more tangible and concrete. The tend focus the rest of their energy on disproving this "Illogical pie in the sky" belief in an all powerful deity. It helps them understand...gives them perspective. But does extreme logic and it's analytical components give us a reason NOT to believe? Or is it deep pain and despair that fuel this view....This forum is filled with people who suffered greatly. But is that ultimately a viable excuse to throw away your personal faith in a God?
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Could Iraq defeat the US
by JH incould a war with iraq be more difficult than expected?
i found an interesting site, where they claim that iraq could indeed defeat the us.
tell me your comments after reading it.
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nakedmvistar
All it takes is one tiny little nuke placed anywhere on U.S soil....doesn't even have to be in a populated area and you can kiss all our rights good bye! The economy collapses with the rest of world's economy in tow. Before all this, Bush goes in gun-ho-like killing Sadaam----making him a martyre to the rest of the muslim world. ....We all know how crazy people can get when promised eternal paradise. 800,000,000 muslim cry out it anger and disgust as the GREAT SATAN occupies the third most holy land in the muslim land. The rest of the planet despises the U.S as it is....No one will mourn for us! How fat and arrogant have we become in this country! Of course, nothing can happen to us, we're way to powerful<<<<<Famous last words---Excerpt from "Rise and Fall Of The Roman Empire. Good read.
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Can we really fade away for good
by JH ini was wondering how long an inactive witness can stop going to meetings before the elders can disfellowship the person?
some are saying that the elders will visit inactive ones in jan,feb,march.
is there a strategy up their sleeve?
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nakedmvistar
Why fade away??? why not formally leave the org??? Or is it that are you covering your ass just in case you decide to go back in the future. ?????!
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
In ancient times, little green men were considered to be demons from hell....In modern times, these same green creatures were associated with beings from outer-space.... What are we to extract from this? Are they figments of our super-subconscious? can they be from outer-space? can they be from another dimension? The most logical explanation doesn't always tell the whole story. What if they turned out to be from outer space. Why would that be more plausible than beings from another dimension? Why? Some things cannot always be explained with the tools available to us. Can there be a compromise....A middle ground that we can come to? Or has empirical data become our new DEITY....It's interesting that for all our protests, we eventually end up placing our FAITH in something or someone---concrete, abstract or otherwise.
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Ouija Boards
by StinkyPantz inwell, i was talking on the phone to my best friend and we started talking about aliens, spirits, etc.
and eventually we got around to discussing the ouija board.
since i was raised a jw and have only been out a year, the ouija board was of course forbidden and even a little scary.
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nakedmvistar
Then maybe faith could be just part of a bigger "equation" The fact that we have the ability to override logic , and think beyond our present reality may give credence to the Idea of a "spirit" or unseen world. I mean, at the very least, you can agree that we are but a tiny speck of dust in the grandness of the universe. If that's the case then how can you have a monopoly on truth? Just because you cannot conceive of or have evidence for an alternate reality does not invalidate its existence. How can you PROVE that there is NOT a god? Or is it because there is no evidence OF a god. Again. how can you measure a spirit? It's like trying to prove the existence of emotion to a sociopath.....He may understand the definiton but he will never understand it until he EXPERIENCES emotions for himself. Until then it's just a theory to him. again, faith, god spirits cannot be explained or proven with just logic or evidence....something extra is needed, something within us that cannot be measured with logic.