Posts by Dansk

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What if God IS a farce?

by LouBelle in

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that would really rock my world as i know it.

after i initially left the jws' i did question the whole "is there a god"" especially when you look around and see all the atrocities - the sick sick things happening in your own back yard.then i put it out of my mind and carried on believing in a god.. right now i choose to believe in a god, whether that god be jesus, jehovah, buddha, allah, shiva, it doesn't matter - i'm happy with the idea that there is a spiritual & powerful someone running things.however lately i've been questioning again - so many posters on here that are atheists really make good arguments & i can't reason my way out of it.. why does god keep so quiet?

why not just let us know - tadaaaa i'm here.

Dansk

Hya Burn:

but evidence has been found.

What is the evidence you infer? I accept that some evidence has been found, for example an engraving with Pontius Pilate's name on it, but none of it proves God's existence or that the Bible was inspired by him, merely that Pontius Pilate existed. I'd like to see evidence of the exodus, the slavery in Egypt, the mighty kingdom of David and Solomon, Solomon's splendid palace, etc. There isn't any! In fact, if we go further forward, there's no existence that Jesus the Messiah existed, either!

Regarding people saying we might as well do just as we want, aren't we doing that anyway? Because I'm not religious doesn't mean I want to kill someone or rob them of their valuables. It doesn't mean we can't be decent human beings. There's absolutely no connection with there being no God and a breakdown of society's values. In fact, I daresay most people who commit crime belong to some religious persuasion, though many no longer abide by its tenets.

Atheism does not equal social disorder.

Ian

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do elders in england have to report abuse ?

by looloo in

is it the law in england for elders to report child sex abuse to the police ?

i think teachers and others in a position of trust have to .

if not i dont understand why the elders themselves dont think it is wrong, if a brother confesed to the elders that he had murdered someone would they report that to the police ?

Dansk

After it was known Panorama would be highlighting paedophilia in the congregations the Watchtower hastily typed out a letter to be sent to all congregations. If I recall correctly (?) the letter inferred the congregations that rape and child abuse, etc., should be reported to the authorities.

Obviously, it was done to cover their backsides.

Ian

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The Biblical Flood Thoroughly Trashed

by Farkel in

there are many new ones on this board who may not have seen this.

my old friend alan feurerbacher who has done an unbelievable amount of scholarly research on many subjects must have spent about two or three thousand years researching virtually every aspect of the biblical flood story, and am providing the link to this subject (together with links to other excellent work by him).

it's long and detailed and definitely not for those who get bored with more than four sentences of information and sound bites.

Dansk

I guess my re-questioning everything "phase" is upon me again and I'll be spending many many hours reading/ researching.

Good for you! Wish more would.

Ian

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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's

by eclipse in

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provided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.

to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.

the future of the work depends upon our young people.

Dansk

BTTT because I'm intrigued as to what happened to Wingman and what became of his campaign letter. Anyone know or have their own results to tell?

Ian

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What if God IS a farce?

by LouBelle in

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that would really rock my world as i know it.

after i initially left the jws' i did question the whole "is there a god"" especially when you look around and see all the atrocities - the sick sick things happening in your own back yard.then i put it out of my mind and carried on believing in a god.. right now i choose to believe in a god, whether that god be jesus, jehovah, buddha, allah, shiva, it doesn't matter - i'm happy with the idea that there is a spiritual & powerful someone running things.however lately i've been questioning again - so many posters on here that are atheists really make good arguments & i can't reason my way out of it.. why does god keep so quiet?

why not just let us know - tadaaaa i'm here.

Dansk

OICU:

Because of the obvious design in the universe

Actually, there is no obvious design. There are laws, though.

from the smallest to the largest I believe there was a creation.

This is the whole point. One believes because of one's faith, not on what is proven. It cannot be proven that the universe was created. It cannot be proven that God exists or ever existed. It can be proven that the holy books of the three major monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are full of baloney and shouldn't be taken literally. Bible history, in the main, is NOT true history. It is made up by scribes.

Ian

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What if God IS a farce?

by LouBelle in

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friends

that would really rock my world as i know it.

after i initially left the jws' i did question the whole "is there a god"" especially when you look around and see all the atrocities - the sick sick things happening in your own back yard.then i put it out of my mind and carried on believing in a god.. right now i choose to believe in a god, whether that god be jesus, jehovah, buddha, allah, shiva, it doesn't matter - i'm happy with the idea that there is a spiritual & powerful someone running things.however lately i've been questioning again - so many posters on here that are atheists really make good arguments & i can't reason my way out of it.. why does god keep so quiet?

why not just let us know - tadaaaa i'm here.

Dansk

Hi Louise,

First of all:

20-Dec-07 10:09 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting
20-Dec-07 10:10 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting
20-Dec-07 10:11 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting
20-Dec-07 10:12 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting
20-Dec-07 10:14 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting
20-Dec-07 10:16 Dec 20, 2007 by LouBelle: Correct formatting

Ha Ha Ha Ha. Don't ya just go nuts when that happens!!

OK, there are many here who believe in God no matter what. It doesn't matter that it can be proven that the Bible (for that's the religious book most religionists here turn to) is, for the most part, made up of fables and claptrap. No matter how much archaeology and science prove that the Bible stories are false people still cling to their faith - and faith is all it is - because they are fearful of displeasing God lest they suffer in the afterlife and/or they cannot accept that the 'I' dies with the body! They cannot accept that we do not have souls and that once our bodies die that's the permanant end of John, Joan, Fred, Bill, Sheila or whatever our names are.

Religionists will counter that science cannot disprove God exists. Well, of course it can't, because one can never prove the unprovable - but the onus, surely, must be on the believer to prove that God does exist! (I can see a long load of posts coming). As Dawkins says in his excellent book The God Delusion, we can say there is a 99% probability he doesn't exist. We can never say 100% because, as I said, one cannot prove the unprovable.

It doesn't matter to religionists that archaeology cannot find any evidence what so ever of a mass exodus out of Egypt or that Hewbrew slaves were even there or that there was a huge kingdom of David or that Joshua oversaw a powerful nation, etc. If such things existed the people would have left evidence, such as buildings, masses of pottery, inscriptions, etc. It's all nonsense! Nothing, not even a tiny fragment, has been found!!

So, does this mean our lives are for nothing? Well, that's the $64,000 question.

I have my own thoughts on that particular beauty - but let's make way for others to post. I have a feeling this thread is about to run for awhile

Ian

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wanna laugh!!! Cute

by purplesofa in

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a 1st grade school teacher had twenty-six students in her class.

she presented each child in her classroom the 1st half of a well-known proverb and asked them to come up with the remainder of the proverb.

it's hard to believe these were actually done by first graders.

Dansk

Children should be seen and not

spanked or grounded

I bet they all colluded on that one!

Ian

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SPEEDING UP THEIR OWN DEMISE?

by Dansk in

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we all know the majority of the society's elders are absolutely useless when it comes to dealing with family matters and as i was sat here reading a number of posts it suddenly occurred to me that watchtower may have started to speed up its own demise.. before i exited my old congregation a young elder was appointed.

he was married without children (they don't want any).

after i exited i heard of another young elder who was appointed (they, too, have no children and i don't think they want any either).. the service overseer was a young elder (a right big head and son of the p.o.).

Dansk

Chris:

I am sure that I am the result of a broken condom. The big A was right around the corner when it broke and I am sure they were mortified at what had happened.

Ah, the big 'A'. Yep, it's still all the talk and more and more young ones are being sucked in. It really is a shame for them, but at least their not having kids means they will be saved the horrors mine and millions of others went through!

Marjorie:

I cannot count how many sisters in my age group that I have met who had their tubes tied, or brothers who had vasectomies (info which was related to me by their wives, of course).

I'd forgotten about the vasectomy issue! A number of young males in my old cong had had it done even though, I think, it was supposedly frowned upon by the Society.

All in all it's a tremendously pathetic situation all round. Young couples not having children because they want more freedom to "progress" in Jehovah's service and especially because the big 'A' is so close. Then, these same childless elders who know absolutely nothing about true domestic pressures give counsel to parents on how best to look after the family! Great logic!!

Well, at least it's helping the Watchtower disintegrate faster.

Ian

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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's

by eclipse in

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friends

provided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.

to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.

the future of the work depends upon our young people.

Dansk

Could someone please tell me the JWs response to this campaign?

Thanks.

Ian

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SPEEDING UP THEIR OWN DEMISE?

by Dansk in

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friends

we all know the majority of the society's elders are absolutely useless when it comes to dealing with family matters and as i was sat here reading a number of posts it suddenly occurred to me that watchtower may have started to speed up its own demise.. before i exited my old congregation a young elder was appointed.

he was married without children (they don't want any).

after i exited i heard of another young elder who was appointed (they, too, have no children and i don't think they want any either).. the service overseer was a young elder (a right big head and son of the p.o.).

Dansk

We all know the majority of the society's elders are absolutely useless when it comes to dealing with family matters and as I was sat here reading a number of posts it suddenly occurred to me that Watchtower may have started to speed up its own demise.

Before I exited my old congregation a young elder was appointed. He was married without children (they don't want any). After I exited I heard of another young elder who was appointed (they, too, have no children and I don't think they want any either).

The service overseer was a young elder (a right big head and son of the P.O.). He and his wife didn't have children and they DEFINITELY didn't want any.

The Watchtower overseer was married, aged around late 40s-50, and he and his wife don't have any children. Also, I can think of a ministerial servant waiting in the wings - and he and his wife don't want any children!

So, just going off my old congregation, the latest crop of elders and their wives are youngish and don't want children so that they can further their work in Jehovah's service. This means:

1) They will be counselling members about family matters when they have no experience of raising children themselves and

2) Having no children, and already having to combine with another congregation, the numbers of members should drop further and faster!!

It's sad, really, for the young couples because one day they'll look back and realise they could have raised families but have wasted their years serving a false God.

What do you think? Have you found more and more elders are young and without children?

Ian