Mike,
I think it's unfair of you to make such a statement without qualifying it. We are your friends here and are concerned, so could you please give us an explanation. The majority of us aren't code breakers.
Love,
Ian
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SPIRITUALITY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE
by Dansk ini've not hidden the fact that i'm an atheist, something i've come to through what i believe is thorough research and experience.
however, while i no longer consider myself religious i do believe i am spiritual.. i do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe is that all powerful being.
in other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws.
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Hi Frankie,
Your post reminded me of other events in my life. When I was desperately ill and things looked really bleak for me Mike, my dear friend who is well versed in spiritual matters, advised me to go to a faith healer. I am very sceptical about such people and, not believing in God, thought it would be useless for me but, heck, I had nothing to lose.
I went to the local spiritualist church where they held healing sessions once a week. When I arrived, there were a number of people in the pews waiting to be attended to by a healer. I thought there'd be just one healer but there were actually around 5. I was assigned to a young man and he sat me in a chair and asked me to close my eyes. I did so and could feel his hands touch various parts of my body. Suddenly a strong heat generated inside a large tumour I had under my arm and I felt a wonderful warmth in my entire body. When the session was over after around 15 minutes I thanked my healer and went home. The following week I was back again and asked for the same man. I got him and virtually the same thing happened.
I attended the spiritualist sessions weekly after that but, whenever "my" healer wasn't there and I was assigned to someone else I never felt the same power - until a few weeks later I was assigned to yet another healer. This person offered to come to my house for free (as did the first healer) and I consented. This "new" healer, a man of 70+ years, came upstairs with me and had me sit in a chair again. He ran his hands over me and WOW I felt a surge of power never felt before. It was so powerful, in fact, that I almost asked him to stop as it near blew me out of my chair.
On different occasions I felt some power, but nothing like the power surges mentioned. I was still receiving treatment from the hospital and having regualr visits from my healers. Eventually, the power from the healers seemed to wane and the tumours grew. I had to rely more and more on general medicine.
I have felt power from exponents of Reiki and spiritualist healers and the vigilers here. Also, from a different source in my own bedroom. Unfortunately, while I genuinely believe they did me some good, in spite of my initial scepticism, my health deteriorated to such a critical extent that I had to rely entirely on mainstream medicine. Nevertheless, I definitely experienced some power at the hands of healers. I honestly believe that if I could have received the same regular power as "generated" by the old man in my bedroom I would not have had to rely on conventional medicine. But why did the power wane?
When I now hear about someone being a healer I no longer scoff - but I can understand why others might. I used to be amongst the sceptics big time, but I cannot refute my own experiences and NO it was most definitely not my imagination. If nothing else the "healers" held back my condition for some time. I find it also very interesting that hospitals in the UK are now allowing healers in for patients who ask for the service. Perhaps we need both spiritual amd mainstream medicine together.
Whatever one thinks, the whole subject and my own experiences are profoundly interesting and, I believe, worthy of investigation.
Ian
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SPIRITUALITY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE
by Dansk ini've not hidden the fact that i'm an atheist, something i've come to through what i believe is thorough research and experience.
however, while i no longer consider myself religious i do believe i am spiritual.. i do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe is that all powerful being.
in other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws.
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Dansk
Hi (((((((Kate))))))),
Yes, you must include your son in the vigils.
Prior to becoming ill I went back down the Buddhist route - but a route not tied to any individual school. I have a great teacher, Mike, who, sadly, is himself now ill and I have added his name to the vigil list. From all the research I have done over more than two decades (I was a Buddhist before becoming a JW) Buddhism is closest to my beliefs. One doesn't have to believe in God - and kama (or karma), cause and effect, are not out of line with the laws of the Universe.
Without doubt I should say it is the Tibetans who are the real masters of meditation. Prior to and then at the beginning of my illness I meditated regularly and had some interesting experiences. After treatment, I believe the chemo interfered - it just wiped me out and I was unable to sit or concentrate for any length of time. I couldn't even read a book!
If what the Tibetans tell us is true, and incorporating it with my own experiences, there is definitely a spiritual force out there. What pains me immensely is the amount of suffering in the world. Are the sufferers suffering because of something they themselves are responsible for in this life or a previous one? I can't answer that. I just don't know. What I DO know is that if we are truly made in God's image a benevolent God would not let people suffer so much.
Before going into hospital I attended a meeting of the Buddhist Society of Manchester every Saturday morning. One morning I excused myself to go upstairs and use the toilet. The toilet was on a slightly lower level than the shrine room and to get to this one had to pass the toilet. While I was stood urinating I heard a group of people passing the toilet and going up to the shrine room. When I went downstairs everyone was still there so I asked my friend, Mike, who it was who went upstairs to the shrine room. He said no-one had left the room!
I told him of what I'd heard and he replied that others had told similar stories. So, next time I was up in the toilet I listened out and sure enough I heard people passing by. I opened the door and entered the shrine room. Nobody was there! This situation went on every week until I could no longer attend through ill health.
Now, I'm a sceptic over most things and if someone had told me that story I'd still be sceptical. However, as it and the vigil experiences have actually happened to me personally I cannot refute them!
There is also the case of my beloved mother. I was down in London seeing Claire off on a plane to Germany (she was just my girlfriend then). After seeing her off and feeling meloncholy because I was already missing her greatly I went to catch my coach for the over two hour journey back to Manchester. The coach eventually drove off and I pressed my head against the glass window and started to think of Claire and the good times we'd had thus far in our relationship. Suddenly a thought came into my head "Your mother is dead!"
I shook my head and berated myself for thinking such a thing. My mother had been ill and was in hospital but her condition was not life-threatening in any way. When the coach arrived in Manchester, instead of going to my flat I went straight round to my parents' home. My dad was there and I asked about my mum. He said she was fine, so I left. I had just turned the corner of the street, I was told later, when a 'phone call came in to say mum had died. Mum had actually died round about the time I had received my "message" on the coach but the hospital hadn't reported it to my dad straight away, which is not unusual as they like to get the body prepared, etc.
I am convinced the Universe and we are all connected. After all, without the Universe we wouldn't be here. It makes sense, therefore (at least to me), that the answer to our spiritual quests are found within IT!
Ian
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SPIRITUALITY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE
by Dansk ini've not hidden the fact that i'm an atheist, something i've come to through what i believe is thorough research and experience.
however, while i no longer consider myself religious i do believe i am spiritual.. i do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe is that all powerful being.
in other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws.
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Quietlyleaving and Awakened,
Thank you for posting.
Awakened, I cannot disagree with anything you said. I, too, do not believe in spirit beings that can intercede on our behalf because, yes, it should be happening more widely. I still cannot say what happened to me during my experience(s). I look around the world (via news reports, etc.) and think how much humanity needs something to make it well. Why should I be singled out to receive universal energies? I just don't know! I'm still searching.......................
Ian
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SPIRITUALITY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE
by Dansk ini've not hidden the fact that i'm an atheist, something i've come to through what i believe is thorough research and experience.
however, while i no longer consider myself religious i do believe i am spiritual.. i do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe is that all powerful being.
in other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws.
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I've not hidden the fact that I'm an atheist, something I've come to through what I believe is thorough research and experience. However, while I no longer consider myself religious I do believe I am spiritual.
I do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe IS that all powerful being. In other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws. I believe some people have the capacity to tap into the universe and use its powers benevolently.
To give an example, when I was first diagnosed as being terminally ill three years ago Mulan suggested organising a vigil for me and, happily, some JWDers offered to participate. Posters here, at a specific time, sent me energies, prayers, Reiki, vibes, best wishes, lit candles, etc. That first Tuesday night, while I was in bed, I definitely felt a force over my body and, interestingly, my watch slowed down by a full ten minutes. I reset my watch and it behaved normally and never lost time. The following Tuesday night, the second vigil, I felt a force again - and once again my watch lost a full ten minutes. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences. Since then I have never felt the vigil forces as strong, but perhaps it's because less people are taking part (?) or because the energies have to be dispersed amongst more people (I have since been joined on the vigil list by other poor sick souls).
Like many people here I have had other "strange" experiences I cannot explain - but never once did I feel it was the hand of God. I believe the answers to our queries lies firmly with the universe, but I do not know how. It makes more sense, however, that being a part of the universe, no matter how miniscule, that same universe must have an effect on us.
I'm extremely happy, obviously, that I may now be cured of my illness and most of my thanks go to the doctors, nurses and other medical staff who brought me back from nigh oblivion. I also thank the scientific community who researched and are still researching for cures against cancer and other fatal diseases. But let us not forget the constant vigilers here, too, who somehow manage to tap into the universe to send out good. I would never rule them out for helping me in my recovery.
Now, many people reading this would be sceptical, as is their right! I would never argue against them. I have stated that these are my beliefs, I have no empirical evidence. It behoves us all to research and experiment and not just go on what a person says as that is blind faith. I am only too happy that I am still around to pursue my beliefs
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has had similar experiences to my own - or even their own completely different ones.
Best wishes,
Ian
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Thank You
by llbh inthank you to all the lovely people on jwd.
i have only been here for a few months but in that short time i have received a lot help and encouragement here.
as some of you know i have had a few problems of a personal nature.
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Hi David,
It's very cathartic here isn't it!
We're all glad you're here. Hope to meet you at the Apostafest in Edinburgh!
Ian
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APOSTASCOTLAND
by Dansk inwould someone seriously consider arranging for an apostafest up in scotland next year?
i know i'm asking this early but i feel it would be good to put the feelers out now.. obviously, it would have to be a location easy to get to - so that means stornoway is out!
sorry, ross & xena.
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DEFINITES:
Ian (Dansk) and Claire (Physio)
Dawn (Sirona) and Gary (Diamondblue)
Tijkmo
Ninja & Ninja
Free2think
Ian (South African Beef) & Marie (Bubble)
PoppyR & Mark
Paul (Gadget) & Claire (Faolin)
Llbh (David)
POSSIBLES:
Jambon1?
Quietlyleaving?
Would the possibles please confirm as soon as possible please. We may need to start booking soon!
If I've missed your name I do apologise. Please add it to the above list. Thanks
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APOSTASCOTLAND
by Dansk inwould someone seriously consider arranging for an apostafest up in scotland next year?
i know i'm asking this early but i feel it would be good to put the feelers out now.. obviously, it would have to be a location easy to get to - so that means stornoway is out!
sorry, ross & xena.
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Dansk
DEFINITES:
Ian (Dansk) and Claire (Physio)
Dawn (Sirona) and Gary (Diamondblue)
Tijkmo
Ninja & Ninja
Free2think
South African Beef & Bubble
PoppyR & Mark
POSSIBLES:
Gadget and Mrs Gadget?
Jambon1?
Quietlyleaving?
Would the possibles please confirm as soon as possible please. We need to start booking soon!
If I've missed your name I do apologise. Please add it to the above list. Thanks
Ian
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APOSTASCOTLAND
by Dansk inwould someone seriously consider arranging for an apostafest up in scotland next year?
i know i'm asking this early but i feel it would be good to put the feelers out now.. obviously, it would have to be a location easy to get to - so that means stornoway is out!
sorry, ross & xena.
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Can anyone recommend a good B&B/Hotel we can all stay at? I daresay we'll have to start booking soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian
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APOSTASCOTLAND
by Dansk inwould someone seriously consider arranging for an apostafest up in scotland next year?
i know i'm asking this early but i feel it would be good to put the feelers out now.. obviously, it would have to be a location easy to get to - so that means stornoway is out!
sorry, ross & xena.
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I would love to come and meet you. If can i will is that OK with all you guys?
Of course it's OK!
Can I just reiterate: EVERYONE IS WELCOME!!
I'll keep bumping this thread from now until April to keep it in the forefront of everyone's minds. I have been contacted by a family in the USA who are desperate to fly in and join the fun! More XJWs from all over the world will make the occasion terrific and will allow us to meet fellow JWDers in person. Families especially welcome - but I don't know yet what will be happening about trying pubs later. Gary & Sirona, where are you?
Ian