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  Are JW more depresed?

  by heianderen in

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  as many of you know there are some studies that indicade thath jw have an above-average mental illness incidence.

  i know a jw doctor that , ironicaly, has confirmed this claim to me.. greets,.

  heianderen

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  heianderen

  As many of you know there are some studies that indicade thath JW have an above-average mental illness incidence. What do you think about?

  I know a JW Doctor that , ironicaly, has confirmed this claim to me.

  Greets,

  heianderen
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  Has anyone a transcription of “Beware of The Voice of Strangers”?

  by heianderen in

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  has anyone a transcription of beware of the voice of strangers?.

  greets,.

  heianderen.

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  heianderen

  Has anyone a transcription of “Beware of The Voice of Strangers”?

  Greets,
  Heianderen
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  All depression sufferers (past/present) please read

  by WildHorses in

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  i went to my dr. today because my blood pressure was really high.

  156/106 and my meds weren't helping to lower it.

  can you get over depression without meds?

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  heianderen

  Hi, I tell you my personal experience. When a was a teenager I've got severely depressed for several years, the first year I was always on the bed, the pain was so intense that I contemplated the posibility of killing myself (actually I can say that I semi-tried it) Pills wasn't the solution for me, I think that pills help when one is so depresed that is the only way to avoid suicide. Pills creates dependence, and have too many secondary efects. I think pills are only a crutch.

  Now, I am not depresed. The solution for me was orthomolecular treatment -some scientist thinks that this kind of medicine is a fraud, personally by my investigation I think that is more advanced that the "ortodox" medicine in several aspects- by means of this treatment I started to sleep well, and to feel more energized, balanced, healthy , and motivated, and this gave me the strength to solve some personality issues that depressed me (perfeccionism, shyness, obsesiveness). Finaly I can say that I've won the battle. Im sure that there is a way open also for you.

  Carlos G.
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  As a loyal JW, what made you to start doubting the Watchtower ???

  by run dont walk in

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  i'm sure all of us were loyal at one time to the watchtower, believing in all of it.

  (some of us probaly hated it from day one as well but, ).

  what were some of the first things that happened or were said, that made you to start doubting it and beginning the loss of your loyalty to the organization ??????.

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  heianderen

  I have doubts since I was very young. I felt that what they say about reality and "outside" world don't converge with what I can personally feel and see. This congnitive disonance made me suffer a lot. I felt that there are diferent Jehovahs in the bible, one mercifull and good and one filled with pride, vengative, killer. I felt that the bible cotradices itself. I couldn't understand how a good God can destroy 99.999% of people twice!! And by the way, in the flood, how an almighty god needs to destroy everything on earth, he is not a got surgeon, lacks precision. I ask these an another questions to elders (Im glad that the elders of my congregation are really decent people, but they are wrong, I feel sorry for them) they have no answers. I felt that the publications have serial reasoning flaws, i felt there are double standards: poor catholics that because of their leaders, thay are forbiden to read our publications, what a closed mind!.There was to many dubts.

  When I started to work and to have econimic potencial (to buy whatever book i want) the time to research came, y read and compare the WT publications about science and the bible with "worldy" books about science and bible (I bought th anchor bible enciclopedia) I also read about physics, history, archaelogy, science, logic, etc...No matter how hard i tried to make "the truth" truth, it was false. Then I read some "apostate" books and urls to get another perspective about the WT history and teachings. that was the end.

  Now I regard myself as an agnostic, near atheist. I'm still "in", preparing mysefl to lose all my friends (im very introverted, and is not easy to me to make friends, I m happy that I have two "wordly" friends since childhhood, they know my position, they were my friend when I was JW, and they are my friends know that i'm not a JW, but they live very far) I cant' go to mmetings, too depressing and boring. My family also know my situation (all JW except my father) and they say that they wouldn't shun me. :)

  This is my history

  By the way, I don't believe in the subliminal images, but i think that the way that the WT uses photographs affect the way of thinking of the JW. For example, they promote prejuice against those whose dressing and grooming is "wordly". I saw a photograph that ilustrates how to deal with religion diferences in a marriage with a non-JW (the man has a short beard) This promotes superficial thinking, and bad generalizations.

  (please excuse my poor english, i can read english without problem, but i don't use it, even worst, i more fluend in chinese, and sometimes a write english sentences with chinese grammar) HAHA ;)
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  Note from the Convention - Saturday

  by Gadget in

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  the opening talk again discussed taking notes, but this time recomended all to take brief notes to have handy for the convention review in the autumn.

  can't make their minds up.... "removing the veil from those blinded" we were given instructions to start a bible study on a return visit.

  this was not just recomendations, but specific procedure to be used.

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  heianderen

  I did not even go to the Convention. I have the privilege of accommodating the brothers and sister, but I could't. Every time I go less and less to the meetings, always late. Meetings, not only bore me, also make me feel angry and sad at the same time. I can't hear all the silly things that they say. Pure nosense. They from time to time say good thing, but you can learn these good things everywhere, no need to be JW. The magazines are the same, boring, if something is interesting, you can sure write by yourself a better article of the same kind. Where is "the spiritual food"?
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  What's the worst sin that you knew a JW commited? Espec. Elders, Bethelites

  by FreeofGuilt in

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  the po of my congregation was screwing another elders wife- i have more, but i wanna hear yours!

  kristine

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  heianderen

  SOJ, you missed the point here. The truth is that JW are like the average population, not better, not worse (althought here in this board there are some that will desagree with me at this point) the image that portrait the society about itself is simply false. JW are not better that the others religious groups.

  And a lot of people here know first hand about this crap, the hipocresy of some of the JW (not all). The experiences that has been written in this board, not all are gossips, may be some are untrue, as you tried to ilustrate (someone who was somewhat somewhere), but a lot are true.

  Greetz heianderen
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  Being "Smart" will not prevent one from following the WTS

  by onacruse in

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  2. beliefs

  this weekend, while katie and i were at the beach, we both spent a little time reading coc (no, it wasn't a study lol ...i can honestly say that i did not favor the disfellowshipping decision made by the [governing] body.

  for when the vote came i conformed to the majority decision.

  i felt dismayed when the body assigned me to prepare mateiral in support of the decision, yet i accepted the assignment and wrote it as was desired by the body...my belief in the organization as god's only agency on earth caused me to do what i did at that time without particularly great qualms of conscience.. .

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  heianderen

  I know a lot of JW that are very inteligent, and very suportive to the WT. My old sister is one of then, I also know an hebrew scholar - a walking brain -and also one of my best friends (he knows that I can't no longer believe) he is and elder, but he doesn't shun me. I think that all the post here are right, is an emotional issue, i think that some of them prefer not to study deeply, becasuse they can feel that something is wrong but doesn't wan't to know the truth about "the Truth" this expresion "the Truth" makes me feel mad. I have had doubs since a was very young, and sometimes this makes me feel very ansious, even ill. I think that something was wrong with me and made me fill guilty. But finaly i see that they are the ones that must fill guilty.
  Yesterday I asisted to a metting, was the CO, I was late as usualy, (a cant swalow a complete meeting know)
  but as soon as I entered the hall, and I listened the words of the CO I said to my self (wrong wrong, absurd, a lie) all his word seems to me a bull-shit, nonsense. I have had I nightmare this night, I was quarreling with my sister, about how she can believe. oh God I feel very depresed and i cant see the light at the end of the tunel.

  drwtsn32, by the way, im not a Mensan, I'm member of Cerebrals Society.

  Thank you all for your posts. (and please excuse my bad english)
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  My Testimony

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  my testimony

  by undisfellowshipped ( [email protected] ).

  i was born and raised by my parents to believe in the beliefs of the jehovah's witnesses organization.

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  heianderen

  I'm happy that you have found a way of life that satisface you, give meaning to your life, and help you to resolve your emotional problems.

  Personally, I do not agree with your believes and don't think than the reasons you give for beliving in the bible are plausible, but I respect your opinion. I believe that althought we are very sure of our own believes and opinions, we should respect thouse that don´t belive the same, I think we can express freely why we don't believe this and that and why we believe this and that, we must develope humilty, because even the most congent reasoning can be false.

  I believe that the roots of the ethics and morals lay in the concept of equality of all human beings (this of course is an utopia, an idelization, abstract concept) but we all ought to strive to live according this idea, making the world a safer warmer place.

  Therefore, problems begins when we belive we are better than others, that our opinions/believes are absolutly true, without discusion, specially when this believes includes elitistic views (some examples, jews "the choosen people", christians, and muslims adopted this view also) and the equality disappears, the gates of expoliation and explotation are open.

  Please excuse me poor english. But the idea that I want to tell you is that you should be aware of not falling in the same intoletant actitude of the WBT.

  Your sincerely,

  Heianderen
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  Verses that bothered you as a JW

  by JH in

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  2. beliefs

  we find god's name "jehovah" so many times in the old testament, but not at all in the new testament.

  jesus is called a "mighty god" in the bible.

  jesus is also called "father".

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  heianderen

  For those that believe in the bible I must say that i don't want to destroy their faith. But for me as JW, the verse that bothered me most is the entire bible itself. Is all contradictory. I think that it can be used to support the believes of mosty any christian religion. I prefer the scholars' point of view. For me Jesus was a man, but , as many other pagan religions, he was eventualy divinized, I think that a carefuly study of the gospels can reveal this. Of course to reach this conclusion, I did a lot of research, and finally adopted the explanation that for me is more plausible.
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  Now that you are EXJW, what do you teach your children about Spirituality?

  by LyinEyes in

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  most of you know that my youngest son, 8, is a little worry wart.......he is always worrying about death, mainly me dying.

  he has been to doctors when he was younger for ptsd, ocd, and addh.

  what are you doing in teaching your children spiritual things?

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  heianderen

  Please, first excuse me for my poor english.
  About your son problem, I think that is not usual for such a little boy to worry about metaphysical/existencial subjects: the universe, god life and death, etc... Had he ever take a inteligence test? I think that there is a high probability that you son is a gifted one. There are also a lot of gifted individuals that had been confused with ADDH.

  I think you can find a professional that can attest if your son is gifted. If this is true he will need special care and education to fullfill his special emocional/intelectual needs.

  I know I little about this theme (I don't like to label anyone) but for practical purposes, I think there are a lot of people that share some special caracteristics that can be labeled in this way. And then sometimes suffer a lot for not knowing their diference.

  I hope that this would help you. About the spirtual side I think that the other friends at the forum can help you better than me.

  Your sincerely,
  Heianderen