Posts by hornetsnest

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HELP WITH U.N INFO...PLEASE.

by integ in

i was wondering if someone could direct me to where i can download actual copies of the watchtowers response to the un scandal, and any other info i can download to show someone who is convinced it's "all lies".

i tried the search feature on this site, and for some reason it did'nt work for me.

thank's for any help you can provide with this.. integ.

hornetsnest

All of these are good, but I didn't see any answer about an official response in the Watchtower. To the best of my knowledge, there is none. Rather, the majority of the response is assembly parts, etc., consisting mainly of evasions, claims of being persecuted, and out-and-out lies. There is an official letter sent as a private letter to individuals who write in about it. That is one solid lie from beginning to end.

I would say that a better approach would be to refer them to the Sept. 8, 1991 Awake! magazine. It's found in most Kingdom Hall libraries in the 1991 Bound Volume. The first three articles are a glowing description of the United Nations. Only one who knows the Witnesses well will see the astonishing amount of duplicity contained in the final paragraph of the third article. The reason it was written that way was because these articles were published for the purpose of deceiving the United Nations into thinking that the Society supported them, and would then grant them the status of NGO.

You wouldn't really need to say much, as the dishonesty is there for all to see.

LoneWolf

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Only in Canada, eh? (cute pic)

by Scully in

hornetsnest

LOL, Scully!

That's a good one all right!

I wouldn't advise keeping one as a pet. They are cantankerous and unpredictable and, being bigger than a grizzly, can do a lot of damage in short order. I spent a lot of time in Alaska, and know of more than one car that ended up little more than tin cans!

LoneWolf

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PLEASE HELP>>>>Baptism nullification looking for anwsers

by sadeyez in

after many years my step father has decided to become reinstated.

he has recently moved from out of state and lives very close.

growing up he and i did not have a good relationship, that had changed and we have been very close for many years.

hornetsnest

Hi, sadeyez,

I don't mean to be dumping cold water on your hope, but I must be honest too. Don't expect any slack from them at all in this regard. You will find no love, common decency, or humanity whatsoever from them.

Instead, they will slam the door all the harder, with enjoyment, and snicker about it among themselves. I know that sounds awfully harsh, but that is what thousands have experienced from their "loving brothers", even when you are obviously innocent. In my case, they actually admit that I am innocent, but refuse to do anything whatsoever about it.

If you want peace, then you need to read them for what they are: Unfeeling automatons who manifest an insufferable arrogance, and who would not recognize true Christianity if it walked up and bit them in the leg, due to being blinded by their own assumed glory. Only then, when you grow fangs as long as their's are, will they leave you alone.

I have a lawyer's letter written by the Society's attorney Philip Brumley to a Mr. Rizoli, a brother who had been summarily disfellowshipped. It is very long (16 pages) and crammed with legalistic gobble-de-gook, however, it does an excellent job of demonstrating that unfeeling arrogance. It itemizes the 4 classifications of members that they recognize, and it is obvious that they do not allow you "resign". They are exactly like the Mafia in that "once a member, always a member."

Except for it's length, I would post it here. As my PM doesn't work, I can't access any messages that go in it, however, I have an email address that I will set aside for this purpose, should anyone wish to have a copy of it. It is: [email protected]

Let me know and I will send it to you.

Tom Howell

Alias: LoneWolf

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Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

by Globetrotter in

i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

hornetsnest

Hi, Globetrotter,

If you wish to use the blood issue, look this over: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/41260/1.ashx

I must warn you though, that when you back them in a corner (and you will), they tend to get mad. (Grin)

LoneWolf

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If You Could've Said Something You Weren't Supposed To Say........

by minimus in

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at a meeting-------what would it have been?

i can imagine making a comment at the watchtower study after reading blondie's review and spouting some of her research from the publications to mess everybody up or give a public talk and say something like," as we all know, the society has blundered many, many dates in the past and given some false prophecies, too-----but that doesn't mean we should stop trusting them, now does it????

"

hornetsnest

LOL, minimus!

Actually, that was about 10 years before and in another congregation than the one I was disfellowshipped in!

LoneWolf

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Solve this problem you dumdums :)

by JH in

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my nephew sent me this problem that his teacher gave him.

you have to go through each line only once and come back to the starting point.

start wherever you want but you have to come back to that starting point without missing one line.

hornetsnest

LOL!

Yup, I remember this one too. The solution is somewhat "creative". However, I'll let Eric educate you folks.

LoneWolf

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If You Could've Said Something You Weren't Supposed To Say........

by minimus in

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at a meeting-------what would it have been?

i can imagine making a comment at the watchtower study after reading blondie's review and spouting some of her research from the publications to mess everybody up or give a public talk and say something like," as we all know, the society has blundered many, many dates in the past and given some false prophecies, too-----but that doesn't mean we should stop trusting them, now does it????

"

hornetsnest

LOL, Blondie!

I think you and I would have gotten along just fine!

I've said a few things too. One in particular was when the Watchtower Conductor ran across the word "flatulence", looked up at the congregation with a big smile and asked, "What does that word mean?"

I looked at him in astonishment, shrugged and thinking to myself that he'd asked for it, raised my hand. Everybody else was looking for a hole to crawl in. Sure enough, he called on me. "That's a fart." I chirped. He dang near fell off the stage.

Then after I was DFed, I went to meetings and did most everything else just like I always did, as I didn't give a damn what their opinion was anyway. One pompous idiot of an elder (the same one that went running frantically out to my aged father wanting to know if I was going to bomb the Kingdom Hall) was making it a point to be real snooty every chance he got. I just smiled and bided my time.

Finally, in a semi-public letter (2 congregations, the Society, 3 Circuit and 1 District Overseer) I recounted the experience I had in a Kingdom Hall back in Charlotte, NC when I went back to see my daughter and family. I was sitting about 2/3's of the way up towards the front on the aisle when an elder walked up beside me, dropped his hand to my shoulder and smiled real big when I looked up. "I hear that we're not supposed to speak to you." He said real friendly like.

"Yup! That's about the case!" I grinned back.

"Well, we wanted to let you know that we're glad to see you anyhow!" Then he gave my shoulder a squeeze and walked away.

As I continued in the letter, "How I wish you could have experienced that and then came back to this congregation and have Br. XXX come sailing by with a hostile attitude and his nose so high in the air that it is in danger of frostbite! What a contrast!

"I suppose that he thinks that he is inspiring me to come back into the congregation with this conduct, and he is, oh, yes! For every time he does it, it reminds me of the 400 lb. fat lady I saw waddling down the street in stretch pants in Southern California many years ago. In short, they are both ludicrous, hilarious, and equally inspiring."

It's funny, but for some reason he's been as nice as pie ever since. ROTFLOL!!!

Oh, by the way, both Alan F. and Farkel have been in dire need of a good enema for a long time now. (Please let them know I said this) I've been meaning to get to this little job for some time, but have been clear up to my rear in alligators and haven't had the chance yet. However, the Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise, it won't be long now.

LoneWolf

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What Might've Kept You Still In The Organization?

by minimus in

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some people left the organization because of the united nations scam, 1975, the "generation" change, child abuse issues, not feeling the "love" of the brotherhood, etc.

in all honesty, is there something----that if it hadn't happened----would have kept you still in?

for example, if the child abuse issues were resolved properly, perhaps, some of those that left because of the mishandling, might still be at the meetings.

hornetsnest

LOL, outoftheorg!!

Yup! Fond memories all! Probably the biggest thing for me was their plain, old common, ordinary lunacy. LIke:

1. The appalling treatment of the teenagers in the congregation. Those poor kids couldn't even hold hands without all the old biddys cackling up a storm.

2. Their ban against "independent thinking". I figure that the most critical time to think independently is when someone demands that you don't. I'll give up my ability to think, right about the same time that the collective GB proves to me that they are all man enough to roll a doughnut down the Grapevine (A very high pass on I-5 in Southern California) and have 10 orgasms with it before it reaches the bottom, and not before.

3. Their hauling me in front of a judicial committee on a charge of demonism because I used the phrase, "Let me play the Devil's advocate for a moment".

4. My brother's (an elder) refusal to give me an opportunity to explain a matter that he had jumped to the wrong conclusion about. So I hauled HIS worthless ass in front of a committee and explained it to the whole bunch.

5. The inability of any congregation committee (with precious few exceptions - individuals all) to reflect ANY of the fruitages of the spirit.

6. Their endlessly assuming that they know more about what I am thinking than I do. Like I phrased it in writing to them once, "Why you continually attempt to read other's minds is beyond me, as I have never in my life met a group of men so utterly devoid of the ability to do so. You are rarely even in the right ballpark, let alone on base!"

Etc., etc. I could fill a book with this stuff. I'd better stop, as I don't want to stumble any of you sweet, innocent, folks.

LoneWolf

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What Is Truth?

by Blueblades in

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is this a complex question,or is it a simple one,who knows?

hornetsnest

Narkissos ---

That's intriguing, and I'd like to think on that a bit. Could you enlarge on it a little? A few initial questions in my mind would be:

1. Would it be possible? One would need to gain absolute truth in order to examine it critically. Wouldn't that be like gaining the goal of infinity in order to examine the path that leads to it?

2. If my perception of your words is correct, you are emphasizing that we need to be skeptical about that which is passed off as absolute truth. My point is that the simple fact itself, that a man --- or all mankind for that matter --- should have a body of knowledge, is enough to relegate that knowledge to the realm of "relative truth", for we humans do not have access to "absolute truth". There is always something more to know! In this way, the skepticism is built right into the equation. Or am I missing something here?

Gumby --- Well, actually, I haven't! There was quite a bit of confusion about a year ago when Simon changed the look of the board, and my account got all messed up, I don't know how. I've been wanting to get with him and get it straightened out, but this past year has been absolutely crazy and I haven't had the time. I can't even access my messages, and I know some are in there, because folks have emailed me and told me they were.

I hesitate to recount too much of this past year, because everyone will think I'm a blasted liar. It's been THAT wild. And I've got a wild reputation in the first place! LOL!

I didn't address Norm's comment then because it looked to me that he was addressing Aaron. Hope I didn't hurt his feelings! (Grin)

LoneWolf

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What Is Truth?

by Blueblades in

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is this a complex question,or is it a simple one,who knows?

hornetsnest

"What is truth?" I posted a subject with that heading right here on the board back in May of 2001. I'd still be interested if anyone could add to the concepts mentioned there:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/5090/1.ashx

Have fun.

LoneWolf