I say that there was a time when Rome exercised universal rule. Are you hard of hearing?
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Posts by Schizm
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147WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
There were certainly limits to the Roman empire they only conquered a relatively small part of the entire world, they didn't conquer the Germans, Persians, Indians, Chinese etc, and yes they all had their civilisations and states at the time. -- greendawn.
According to who? You? The WTS? Some history book you've been reading? One thing for sure is that neither you nor I were there to witness it first hand. The Bible says that Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, all exercised universal rule. Do you have a more reliable source that says otherwise? Why, of course you don't! If you really think you do, then spit it out. I'm all ears.
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
Jean,
Did you notice that when I threatened to have Gummy for supper he jumped on his little stick-horse and got the hell outta here, and hasn't showed back up? Just goes to show that Gummy ain't half as tuff as he lets on to be.
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
I'm no bible scholar but perhaps:
The domination over the "sons of man" relate to dominating other cultures that had dealings with God's people. This could make sense since the world powers are understood to be only the world powers that had connection with Israel.
Just a thought.
That's an idea that you heard from the WTS, and it's not true.
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
Let me be the first to ask you, M.J.: Did China and those civilizations that you list exist at the particular time when Rome ruled the world of its day? -- Schizm.
I just freakin KNEW Schizm used mushrooms....I KNEW it!!!!!!Gumby...LMAO!
As with a few others, Gumby, you too should be careful what you read into my tricky little question directed at M.J. Who knows, maybe he'll somehow find his way back into this thread, and if he does I plan on having him and you for supper.
BTW, instead of just being a smart-ass, why don't you try answering the question I asked Eduardo?
I bet you're not man enough to deal with that question! Want to bet?
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
How about some scholarly proof there Schizm instead of interpreting a Bible verse. After all if the Bible is the truth then scholarship should confirm your claim right?
I didn't offer an interpretation of the verse, I merely quoted it word for word.
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
Eduardo,
I'd like for you to try focusing your eyes on the following verse:
38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold. -- Daniel 2:38.
What does "wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling" mean to you? Do you think that takes in the whole of mankind, or only part of mankind?
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
Schizm, let me be the first to ask the obvious...did Rome hold jurisdiction over China? The Maya, Zapotec, Teotihuacán civilizations? India? ect., etc.? -- M.J.
Let me be the first to ask you, M.J.: Did China and those civilizations that you list exist at the particular time when Rome ruled the world of its day?
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WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?
by badboy in.
weeks earlier,jews and proselytes from at least 15 regions of the roman empire had packed jerusalem to celebrate the passover.. on the next page,it seems to show arabia ,media,elam and parthenia as part of the roman empire.. i thought the romans never conquered arabia or persia.
am i right?.
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Schizm
Daniel 2:36-40 36 “This is the dream, and its interpretation we shall say before the king. 37 You, O king [of Babylon], the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, 38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold.
39 “And after you there will rise another kingdom [Medo-Persia] inferior to you; and another kingdom [Greece], a third one, of copper, that will rule over the whole [inhabited] earth.
40 “And as for the fourth kingdom [Rome] , it will prove to be strong like iron. Forasmuch as iron is crushing and grinding everything else, so, like iron that shatters, it will crush and shatter even all these.
“This is what he said, ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom [Rome] that will come to be on the earth, that will be different from all the [other] kingdoms; and it will devour all the [inhabited] earth and will trample it down and crush it. -- Daniel 7:23.
According to the texts above, there was a time during which Rome exercised universal rule. This would mean that Rome held jurisdiction over all peoples at that time.
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King Herod dies in 4 BC
by startingover insome time ago i read that herod died before jesus was born calling into question his command to kill all the male babies under 2 yrs.
as told in the bible.. i never bothered to research it before, but doing so i discover that herod the great died in 4 bc.
some sources mention that it calls into question the biblical account but others make it sound like jesus had to be born before herod died so therefore he was born before 4 bc.
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Schizm
3. Characteristics of the Star of Bethlehem: (iii) The star 'stood over' Bethlehem. Matthew 2:9 records that the star 'went ahead of them and stood over the place where the child was'. Popular tradition has the star pointing out the very stable in which Christ was born, but Matthew neither states nor implies this: according to Matthew, viewed from Jerusalem the star stood over the place where the child was born, i.e. Bethlehem.
Pure nonsense! The "star" didn't just appear over the whole town of Bethlehem, it came to a stop above the very house in which Jesus lived.
Matthew 2:1-11
1 After Jesus had been born in Beth´le·hem of Ju·de´a in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, 2 saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star [when we were] in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance.” 3 At hearing this King Herod was agitated, and all Jerusalem along with him; 4 and on gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people he began to inquire of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They said to him: “In Beth´le·hem of Ju·de´a; for this is how it has been written through the prophet, 6 ‘And you, O Beth´le·hem of the land of Judah, are by no means the most insignificant [city] among the governors of Judah; for out of you will come forth a governing one, who will shepherd my people, Israel.’”
7 Then Herod secretly summoned the astrologers and carefully ascertained from them the time of the star’s appearing; 8 and, when sending them to Beth´le·hem, he said: “Go make a careful search for the young child, and when YOU have found it report back to me, that I too may go and do it obeisance.” 9 When they had heard the king, they went their way; and, look! the star they had seen [when they were] in the east went ahead of them, until it came to a stop above where the young child was. 10 On seeing the star they rejoiced very much indeed. 11 And when they went into the house they saw the young child with Mary its mother
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