"it's the intent that counts not the result.".
i have been out of the jw organization for some 22 years now and i sometimes get a reminding jolt out the hoops that some will jump through to make their religion make sense to them.
the first line in this post is what a jw on the street here in salinas told me on saturday when trying to justify the society's history of false prophecies.
Donny,
You don't happen to have the reference for...
"He even went as far as to say 1925 had more scriptural support than 1914 and that the Christian of today (1920's) had more assurance that 1925 was true than Noah has belief in the coming deluge."
I'd like to have this for my own little library. I can find the print copy if only I know what artictle, page, etc to look for.
Thanks.
everyone has an opinion on things.
oftentimes, we ask for help or want the view of the board in a matter.
but just remember, the comments are simply personal views.
True, true.
The beauty of this board are the personal views, though. We certainly have plenty from one end of the spectrum to the other.
literally, a text message to my husband from one of his "friends".
he also wrote, "it's in her hands.
it's her move now.
Cognitive dissonance can really take a toll on a person, especially if he's fighting it tooth and nail. I know for a time I was borderline mental because I was struggling trying to be a good JW and at the same time learning TTATT without hesitation. It took it's worse toll when I still thought I needed to go out in service and reach out for privileges. We both know those two personalities don't mix, and it takes a harder toll on some people. You never know. This could be a mental breakdown from knowing that what you have been telling him is the truth, yet him resisting and trying to maintain status quo in the JW world could have caused him to break down. I hope it is something as simple as cognitive dissonance finally taking it's toll, and not something more serious.
We'll keep you and you're family in our thoughts. I hope this turns out well for both you and him.
this is my own experience so i'll share it in that it might help others.
this may not work for others but it seems to be working for me.. .
a little background...i'm happily married and 3 years ago i was an elder and my wife was a pioneer, we have 3 kids.
Good logic, notsurewheretogo. This sounds like my wife to a tee in her way of thinking. Maybe I can drop similar reasoning on her soon.
"it's the intent that counts not the result.".
i have been out of the jw organization for some 22 years now and i sometimes get a reminding jolt out the hoops that some will jump through to make their religion make sense to them.
the first line in this post is what a jw on the street here in salinas told me on saturday when trying to justify the society's history of false prophecies.
1925 had more scriptural support than 1914? Hmm, that sounds familiar...... Sort of like how there's more support for 1914 than electricity, wind, and gravity.
Good job on the conversation.
so, did you make a good choice?
was waiting for a ms really worth it?.
.
Speaking as an ex-ms....... Absolutely not. Don't do it. We are a blind people. I truly enjoyed serving the brothers and sisters and do miss it, but it sets expectations for yourself that you can never meet, and all the activity blinds you to what's really going on.
i found out that my husband has not only gone to the elders, but has been going to members of my family about me over a period of a few years.
this piece of news is just so depressing.
i've been wondering how my family knew i didn't go and thats why so many of them have becoming more and more distant.
Cognac (my favorite drink, of course),
I've been going over some of your past posts and really feel for you and your situation. ((*hugs*)) I needed that too. What you've been through and are going through reminds me of many of the thoughts, feelings, and experiences I've been through with my wife. We're coming up on 6 years of marriage. I've been awake for a year and a half. Seeing some of your posts for the past 6 years scares the crap out of me because I see that becoming my future unless I take more decisive action now. I'm 29 and don't want to live my life regretting not acting sooner. Unfortunately, I don't like the consequences of taking action either. For people in our situation, there really is no "win-win", more of a "win-lose". We've had it engrained in our minds that people like us are the ones that create the divisions in households the Bible speaks of, but in reality its the man-made organization, religious leaders who insist on their spiritual superiority.
I want to say thank you for sharing your experiences because seeing your thoughts and struggles really does help, especially when I'm examining my own situation. I just don't always know how to put it into words.
there is no room for self-expression in a cult.
this weekend's condemnation fest proved that.
looking forward to the november 2015 article, "boxers or briefs?
i've, over the years, looked into many religions.
obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.
recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.
Digging into things also helps avoid the niggling "OMG, what if they are right?!" worries that are soon swept away with learning and information.
This is the stage I'm at right now. I'm on the verge of detesting religion, or denominations at least. I don't believe in saying that I'm of this denomination or this (within Christianity). To me, a Christian is a Christian. Who cares about differences of interpretation as long as you don't force your interpretation on others (which JWs and lots of so-called Christians try to do). I'm still on the fence about whether Christianity is right, or if Christians have simply created a false dilemma. Or if Christians are wrong, but a God does exist. Or if God does exist, but not as we envision or in the nature that we think. Or if I truly care about the answers to any of these thoughts. For now, I'm just learning and taking in information, taking the time to digest it without making immediate conclusions. I have plenty of time to decide, hopefully...
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.
.
.
I doubt there will be a "test your faith" announcement. At least at our hall, we are encouraged to invite everyone. This includes bible studies, family, and friends - not just JW publishers and higher rank. In our area this is being advertised as a public event. Unless we have the wrong idea about it, this seems more like a PR stunt to me to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside.
