Posts by pronomono

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Presumptuous?

by Tornintwo in

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i know this is old news, but just found this priceless quote on jwfacts from 2001 watchtower (yes 2001 not 1941!!!

) looks like geoffrey jackson never read this one:.

"is it presumptuous of jehovah's witnesses to point out that they alone have god's backing?

KM - another evidence for the leaked letter

by fastJehu in

the december kingdom ministry (km) is online.

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no schedule for the first week in january 2016 - as in previous december kms.. so another evidence, that beginning with january 2016 the org will change the mid-week-meeting.. -----> download link: http://download.jw.org/files/media_publickm/72/km_e_201512.pdf.

pronomono

alanv5 hours agoInterestingly in the presentation section it gives options to offer 'this months offer of the Watchtower' or 'this months offer of the Awake'. I thought starting in January there would only be one of the magazines available and the other magazine being published and offered the next month.

That was the impression that I got too, but re-reading the letter it just says we will feature the Watchtower in January and the Awake in February. Seeing both have January presentations in the December KM leads me to believe that we'll get both in January, but feature them in different months. Pure speculation, but that would make more sense because they could do all their deliveries in the odd numbered months and not have any in the even numbered months. And if special orders were done during the odd numbered months too, they could consolidate shipments and have greatly reduced shipping costs. Or the discrepancy could be a transitional oversight. Either way, we'll find out more soon. Hopefully someone will be able to get us a copy of the video for this.

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After leaving did the feeling go away?

by committeechairman in

the feeling that you're never good enough.

the feeling that you're wicked and evil.. .

because i'd give anything not to feel this way.

pronomono

A lot of those feelings went away, but some of them were replaced by equally negative feelings, like:

- I'm not good enough for my wife.

- I think my wife secretly resents our marriage because I'm not the man I used to be.

- Guilt for maintaining a false pretense of being a believer with my family and some friends.

- Agonizing over all the worst-case scenarios when I'm finally outed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that I've been schooled in TTATT and checked myself out of the TMS and this religion (mentally), but I haven't reached my full solution yet. Sometimes trying to deal with a fade can wreak as much mental havoc as waking up to TTATT.

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How Much Does It Cost To Produce One Watchtower Magazine?

by The Governor in

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hello everyone i had a quick question to ask.

does anyone know how much it cost to produce a watchtower magazine?

also does anyone know how much each watchtower magazine is worth?

pronomono

What really puts a drain on the Watchtower resources are all the Bethelites who run the presses, research, and write that the Watchtower has to feed, house, provide limited medical care to, a small stipend for clothing/miscellaneous expenses, etc. I'm sure there's a lot more supporting expenses that add up. New machinery and technology help them to do more with less, but printing still puts a major drain on their resources no matter how low they can bring the cost down per page.

Cutting printing helps them in so many ways. With all the Bethel cut backs that have been reported on, there's a good number of people they can cut from printing because they're reducing they're public magazine load by half. They're pushing stronger for the R&F to download, so there's a few less things needing to be printed and a few more people to be cut. Less people printing means less people that will be needed to support that staff for cleaning, feeding, laundry, deliveries, etc. It's all one big chain reaction that lets them continue to cut, cut, cut to reduce costs and maximize gains from whatever money they are still getting.

Before long, Jehovah's Witnesses will resemble more of an e-religion that just so happens to have congregations of people meeting in your local area.

There's a lot more thought that has to go into determining the cost of printing a magazine that just the cost of printing a magazine. It seems cheap, but it's really not. Otherwise, the Watchtower wouldn't be downsizing so much.

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New here!

by Mandy97 in

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hi guys !

hm.. i'm new in this website !

my name is mandy and i just want to meet new people!

pronomono

Sabin: You've just never had good snails. lol. If you ever make it to New Orleans, Dickie Brennan's Steakhouse has some of the best escargot you can get. It's one of my top dishes to try before you die.

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

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i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

pronomono

Looking back, I definitely prefer knowing the truth about the truth instead of remaining ignorant.

It was tough getting to this stage in life. I'm a 29 y.o. born-in, baptized at 16, awake for 2 years now. I took the initial awakening hard. I've always been a think-before-you-act and "Primum non nocere"-type person. So it was rough holding in all my new knowledge without being able to take action. I went through stage of anger and suicidal depression. I kept it all to myself, except for the bits and pieces I shared on here. I started loosing sleep, felt sick more often, shit blood, and was generally in a down-and-out mood. I couldn't concentrate at work and had no motivation.

The only dependence I have on JWs is the emotional ties to my friends and family, and in particular one friend who's stuck it out with me till now. I think this will come to an end soon because I think that, although he truly loves me as a friend, he's hoping that providing me with good association, I'll come back. While I'm thinking just the opposite.

Looking back on my journey to this point, I'm surprised how ignorant I was, but I wouldn't change the journey. It was necessary to experience it to begin getting my life back, the life I never had. And I've still got quite a journey to go. I'm now on an upward swing. I've opened up some about what's happening with me to my closest friends and my wife. My wife has stopped attending meetings, although she mentions going sometimes. Neither of us go in service. I'm happier. I don't suffer from as many bouts of depression. My health is much better. Work is better. I can't complain.

I'm sure I'll have another setback once it comes out into the open for everyone that I'm no longer a JW and have no intentions of coming back, but I'll handle that when I get there.

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"It's The Truth!" (A Poetic Retrospective of the Watchtower Society)

by Confession in

"it's the truth!

i think this just might be the truth

lets all just believe its the truth!

pronomono

Great work.

Only dawns on me now that the last couple of verses didn't work too well. Saying they should "Research all the data from alpha to beta" doesn't convey quite the sense of completeness I intended since Alpha means "A" and Beta means "B." Also the "Indoctrinat-ed were our minds" doesn't flow. Stuff like this bugs me. So I had to fix it...
If you keep dismissing, you’re cognitive dissing
Inspect things as if you’re a sleuth
Research all the data alpha to omega
There’s no doubt you’ll find the real truth!
It’s the Truth, it’s the Truth!
It was never the Truth
Captivated and blind were our minds
Not the Truth, not the Truth!
So for you we will root
That a good life you one day will find!
Whew... There.

+1 to this. My first thought was Alpha to Zeta, but Omega has a much better biblical significance.

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Mandrakes, what are they?

by purrpurr in

i decided to do about of research about mandrakes.

remember the ones found by dan and purchased from leah by rachel?.

now i don't remember seeing any indepth explanation of what mandrakes are in the wt.

pronomono

Thanks for the new reading, WMF.

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ELEVEN YEARS on this Discussion Group

by Terry in

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i looked at my statistics this morning:.

terry.

joined 11 years ago.

pronomono

Terry,

You have some of the best posts. I always enjoy sitting down to read your posts like a good book. I may not always comment on them because I don't have much to say. I'm the quiet type. But I always enjoy them and look forward to your next thought-provoking post.

Keep my mind thinking.

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Is it worth making a JW Talk profile?

by Lemonp in

i have looked at the jw talk forums every now and again.

is it any use making a profile to get in?

mainly just to laugh at the pathetic discussion that they carry on with.

pronomono

Well where else could you find some pearls of wisdom like this little gem:
1 DAY TO JEHOVAH IS 1000 YEARS TO US
6 DAYS AGO: Adam and Eve appeared on the scene and sinned...and Jehovah made immediate plans to fix the situation.
39 HOURS AND 45 MINUTES LATER: Jehovah prevented the demons from returning to their original position and the flood took place, cleansing the earth...fresh start for humans.
10 HOURS LATER: The covenant was made with Abraham promising the ransom. The next day, the law covenant outlined the details of the ransom and plans were made for the ransom to be paid.
ONE DAY, ONE HOUR AND 48 MINUTES LATER: The ransom was paid.
TWO HOURS AND 15 MINUTES AGO: Jesus was enthroned and cleansed the heavens and finalized the Kingdom arrangement....
SO, IT WILL ALL BE OVER IN JUST A FEW MINUTES!!
A "few minutes"? That could be another couple hundred years of very soon!

If I was still "in" and giving talks, I would've stolen this. Ha ha. Good stuff!